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	<title>Comments on: Bob Lambert Defends &#8220;British Islamists&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/01/bob-lambert-defends-british-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-325799</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lambert and the rest of the team (Spalek, El Awa and McDonald) will be involved in the following project outputs of the Arts and Humanities Research Council Religion and Society Programme and University of Birmingham&#039;s Project - A study exploring questions relating to partnership and religion in the prevention of violent religico-political extremism amongst Muslim youth:

House of Commons Seminar, &quot;Engagement and Partnership Work between Muslim Communities and the Police for the Purposes of Counter-Terrorism&quot;, House of Commons, 13 May 2009 (Team)

Contemporary Islam and Europe Symposium, &quot;Engaging Muslim Communities within a Counter-Terrorism Context&quot;, King&#039;s College London, 5 May 2009 (Spalek)

AHRC Seminar, &quot;Engagement and Partnership Work between Muslim Communities and the Police for the Purposes of Counter-Terrorism&quot; Plenary Speaker AHRC Funded Event for the West Midlands, Birmingham, 30 April 2009 (Spalek)

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:eeKAwOu3ydgJ:www.iass.bham.ac.uk/study/socialresearch/religion_and_society/project-outputs.pdf+salwa+el-awa+ahrc&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lambert and the rest of the team (Spalek, El Awa and McDonald) will be involved in the following project outputs of the Arts and Humanities Research Council Religion and Society Programme and University of Birmingham&#8217;s Project &#8211; A study exploring questions relating to partnership and religion in the prevention of violent religico-political extremism amongst Muslim youth:</p>
<p>House of Commons Seminar, &#8220;Engagement and Partnership Work between Muslim Communities and the Police for the Purposes of Counter-Terrorism&#8221;, House of Commons, 13 May 2009 (Team)</p>
<p>Contemporary Islam and Europe Symposium, &#8220;Engaging Muslim Communities within a Counter-Terrorism Context&#8221;, King&#8217;s College London, 5 May 2009 (Spalek)</p>
<p>AHRC Seminar, &#8220;Engagement and Partnership Work between Muslim Communities and the Police for the Purposes of Counter-Terrorism&#8221; Plenary Speaker AHRC Funded Event for the West Midlands, Birmingham, 30 April 2009 (Spalek)</p>
<p><a href="http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:eeKAwOu3ydgJ:www.iass.bham.ac.uk/study/socialresearch/religion_and_society/project-outputs.pdf+salwa+el-awa+ahrc&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=uk" rel="nofollow">http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:eeKAwOu3ydgJ:www.iass.bham.ac.uk/study/socialresearch/religion_and_society/project-outputs.pdf+salwa+el-awa+ahrc&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/01/bob-lambert-defends-british-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-325784</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would also be useful to mention another member of Lambert&#039;s team, Dr Laura Zahra McDonald. Recent conference presentations include:

Feminism &amp; Islam: ideas &amp; activism, Post-Graduate Seminar Series in Islamic Studies, University of Birmingham 11/3/08 

Conversion, identity &amp; social activism: making space for British Islam, Conference: The Future of Islam in Britain, New Muslims Perspective University of Birmingham 4/3/08 

British Muslims &amp; Shariah Law: Islamic ideals in a secular reality, Shariah in the UK Symposium, University of Birmingham 25/4/07.

She is a member of The Muslims in Britain Research Network http://www.mbrn.org.uk/index.html

Chair: Professor Ron Geaves - a lecture he gave in April 2006 was reported in the Telegraph:

Prof Geaves, whose lecture was entitled Twenty years of fieldwork: reflections on &#039;reflexivity&#039; in the study of British Muslims, said: &quot;The title refers to the personal transformation that has taken place over the last two decades in which I have moved from a position of academic neutrality to one of active engagement with the Muslim community.&quot;

Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, described Prof Geaves&#039;s claims as &quot;absolutely barking&quot;. 

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1515223/July-7-bombs-were-a-demo-not-terrorism-claims-professor.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would also be useful to mention another member of Lambert&#8217;s team, Dr Laura Zahra McDonald. Recent conference presentations include:</p>
<p>Feminism &amp; Islam: ideas &amp; activism, Post-Graduate Seminar Series in Islamic Studies, University of Birmingham 11/3/08 </p>
<p>Conversion, identity &amp; social activism: making space for British Islam, Conference: The Future of Islam in Britain, New Muslims Perspective University of Birmingham 4/3/08 </p>
<p>British Muslims &amp; Shariah Law: Islamic ideals in a secular reality, Shariah in the UK Symposium, University of Birmingham 25/4/07.</p>
<p>She is a member of The Muslims in Britain Research Network <a href="http://www.mbrn.org.uk/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbrn.org.uk/index.html</a></p>
<p>Chair: Professor Ron Geaves &#8211; a lecture he gave in April 2006 was reported in the Telegraph:</p>
<p>Prof Geaves, whose lecture was entitled Twenty years of fieldwork: reflections on &#8216;reflexivity&#8217; in the study of British Muslims, said: &#8220;The title refers to the personal transformation that has taken place over the last two decades in which I have moved from a position of academic neutrality to one of active engagement with the Muslim community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, described Prof Geaves&#8217;s claims as &#8220;absolutely barking&#8221;. </p>
<p> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1515223/July-7-bombs-were-a-demo-not-terrorism-claims-professor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1515223/July-7-bombs-were-a-demo-not-terrorism-claims-professor.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Ward</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/01/bob-lambert-defends-british-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-325783</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insert pompus name here      
   1 April 2009, 6:41 pm 
I meant training their leaders, not them all.
Training them for the &quot;post democratic era&quot;. The country is being run by unelected Quangos.
Common Purpose has its  fingers in them all.
IE.Media Standards Trust. Deputy Chair Julie Middleton. CEO Common Purpose.
They state &quot;We receive support in kind (office space and IT support) from Common Purpose&quot;. 
The Officers and Teachers may never have heard about them, it doesnt mean they are not there. Undermining all the Institutions with their Fabian claptrap. Try asking your local paper if any of their journalists have been on a course or the Council or your local Police, it has to be dragged out of them. Millions of pounds of taxpayers money is pouring into CP every year. Yet the media never murmer a word about them. Once an institution starts making statements about diversity, equality etc. in their mission statements you can kiss goodbye to common sense and say hello to Common Purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insert pompus name here<br />
   1 April 2009, 6:41 pm<br />
I meant training their leaders, not them all.<br />
Training them for the &#8220;post democratic era&#8221;. The country is being run by unelected Quangos.<br />
Common Purpose has its  fingers in them all.<br />
IE.Media Standards Trust. Deputy Chair Julie Middleton. CEO Common Purpose.<br />
They state &#8220;We receive support in kind (office space and IT support) from Common Purpose&#8221;.<br />
The Officers and Teachers may never have heard about them, it doesnt mean they are not there. Undermining all the Institutions with their Fabian claptrap. Try asking your local paper if any of their journalists have been on a course or the Council or your local Police, it has to be dragged out of them. Millions of pounds of taxpayers money is pouring into CP every year. Yet the media never murmer a word about them. Once an institution starts making statements about diversity, equality etc. in their mission statements you can kiss goodbye to common sense and say hello to Common Purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Originally posted by Baxter Morgansfruh on the Quaker thread but useful to repost here as Lambert threads are frequently linked to in future updates on his activities.


Baxter Morgansfruh      
   2 April 2009, 1:17 pm 

Sorry to post on this thread (the 2 Lambert related threads are dead), but I feel this to be germane and worthy of attention:

Robert Lambert first came to my attention in relation to the Glasgow Airport bombings when I carried out a little background research on him. I have subsequently done so again, in response to the Guardian article he co-authored and unearthed something that I had missed before.

Mr Lambert is ‘currently acting as consultant for an AHRC funded research project An Examination of Partnership Approaches to Challenging Religiously-Endorsed Violence involving Muslim Groups and Police headed by Dr. Basia Spalek, Senior Lecturer in Criminology &amp; Criminal Justice, Institute of Applied Social Studies, University of Birmingham and Dr. Salwa El-Awa, Lecturer in Islamic Studies, Theology Department, University of Birmingham.’

Now, I knew he was completing a PhD at Exeter and had dealings with various universities such as Birmingham and Edinburgh, but I hadn’t taken care to examine the background of some of his colleagues in these institutions. In particular, I had missed the name Dr Salwa el-Awa, a lecturer in Islamic studies at Birmingham and, more importantly, a researcher on the project mentioned above, An Examination of Partnership Approaches to Challenging Religiously-Endorsed Violence involving Muslim Groups and Police.

I recognised the name, but couldn’t decide where I’d seen it before. I googled it and it dawned on me that she was related to Dr Muhammad Salim el-Awa, a well-known Egyptian Islamist. I found a profile of him and discovered that Dr Salwa is his wife.

Now, his links to the Ikhwaan are well-publicised even if the profile of him paints him as ‘distancing’ himself from their core doctrines on Islamisation. What I didn’t realise was that Dr Salwa is also the daughter of Hassan el-Ashmawi, a key figure (and former leader) of the Ikhwaan.

The question is, why is the daughter of one of the key ideologues in the MB, whose husband is a well-known Islamist, integral to a research project that will not only shape the way that the police deal with Islamists such as the MB/MCB/MAB etc., but also the government? The proximity of such individuals to the coterie of advisors that formulate and influence govt. policy on counter-terrorism is extremely worrying.

According to the project’s homepage, Dr el-Awa’s previous research ‘involved establishing strong connections with experts in and leaders of the Islamic movement in Egypt and UK, as well as relations and co-operation with other interested agencies.’ Surely, she need only meet with members of her immediate family, and as the daughter of a former MB leader, she would have ample experience and contacts from her formative years.

Isn’t this worrying? Are Birmingham University aware of her pedigree and that of her husband?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Originally posted by Baxter Morgansfruh on the Quaker thread but useful to repost here as Lambert threads are frequently linked to in future updates on his activities.</p>
<p>Baxter Morgansfruh<br />
   2 April 2009, 1:17 pm </p>
<p>Sorry to post on this thread (the 2 Lambert related threads are dead), but I feel this to be germane and worthy of attention:</p>
<p>Robert Lambert first came to my attention in relation to the Glasgow Airport bombings when I carried out a little background research on him. I have subsequently done so again, in response to the Guardian article he co-authored and unearthed something that I had missed before.</p>
<p>Mr Lambert is ‘currently acting as consultant for an AHRC funded research project An Examination of Partnership Approaches to Challenging Religiously-Endorsed Violence involving Muslim Groups and Police headed by Dr. Basia Spalek, Senior Lecturer in Criminology &amp; Criminal Justice, Institute of Applied Social Studies, University of Birmingham and Dr. Salwa El-Awa, Lecturer in Islamic Studies, Theology Department, University of Birmingham.’</p>
<p>Now, I knew he was completing a PhD at Exeter and had dealings with various universities such as Birmingham and Edinburgh, but I hadn’t taken care to examine the background of some of his colleagues in these institutions. In particular, I had missed the name Dr Salwa el-Awa, a lecturer in Islamic studies at Birmingham and, more importantly, a researcher on the project mentioned above, An Examination of Partnership Approaches to Challenging Religiously-Endorsed Violence involving Muslim Groups and Police.</p>
<p>I recognised the name, but couldn’t decide where I’d seen it before. I googled it and it dawned on me that she was related to Dr Muhammad Salim el-Awa, a well-known Egyptian Islamist. I found a profile of him and discovered that Dr Salwa is his wife.</p>
<p>Now, his links to the Ikhwaan are well-publicised even if the profile of him paints him as ‘distancing’ himself from their core doctrines on Islamisation. What I didn’t realise was that Dr Salwa is also the daughter of Hassan el-Ashmawi, a key figure (and former leader) of the Ikhwaan.</p>
<p>The question is, why is the daughter of one of the key ideologues in the MB, whose husband is a well-known Islamist, integral to a research project that will not only shape the way that the police deal with Islamists such as the MB/MCB/MAB etc., but also the government? The proximity of such individuals to the coterie of advisors that formulate and influence govt. policy on counter-terrorism is extremely worrying.</p>
<p>According to the project’s homepage, Dr el-Awa’s previous research ‘involved establishing strong connections with experts in and leaders of the Islamic movement in Egypt and UK, as well as relations and co-operation with other interested agencies.’ Surely, she need only meet with members of her immediate family, and as the daughter of a former MB leader, she would have ample experience and contacts from her formative years.</p>
<p>Isn’t this worrying? Are Birmingham University aware of her pedigree and that of her husband?</p>
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		<title>By: XofThex</title>
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		<dc:creator>XofThex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We don’t organise things, by and large&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t imagine that you do.  That would require some effort and organisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We don’t organise things, by and large</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t imagine that you do.  That would require some effort and organisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive

Thanks for the encouragement. I&#039;m doing my best to attract novice Shintoists and it&#039;s tough. Maybe it&#039;s the difficult language most Shintoist texts are printed it. Or their complete absence, rather, in Waterstones.

[After I submit this comment, I&#039;ll be meditating a lot to screen the G20 news out of my mind. Good tip. Ta.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive</p>
<p>Thanks for the encouragement. I&#8217;m doing my best to attract novice Shintoists and it&#8217;s tough. Maybe it&#8217;s the difficult language most Shintoist texts are printed it. Or their complete absence, rather, in Waterstones.</p>
<p>[After I submit this comment, I'll be meditating a lot to screen the G20 news out of my mind. Good tip. Ta.]</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor Heath: &quot;various things that I’m struggling to recall at the moment.&quot;

Meditation does wonders for the mind - it helps to screen out the less important material aspects of life.

Good luck with your enterprise - we need more Shintoists, especially in the corridors of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor Heath: &#8220;various things that I’m struggling to recall at the moment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meditation does wonders for the mind &#8211; it helps to screen out the less important material aspects of life.</p>
<p>Good luck with your enterprise &#8211; we need more Shintoists, especially in the corridors of power.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After years of an adolescent, nay, puerile, infatuation with atheism, I&#039;ve got the religion bug. I am now a Shintoist. I can&#039;t speak Japanese, but I commune with my fellow Shintoists in Japan over the internet. We&#039;re very disgruntled with imperialist Western policy towards, oh, various things that I&#039;m struggling to recall at the moment. 

Three other UK worshippers and I are forming a Shintoist Council for Britain. I have appointed myself the Chairman of the SCB and would like to &#039;do a meeting&#039; with either a sympathetic, high-ranking member of the Metropolitan Police or a &#039;mainstream&#039; British politician who can represent our just demands to the British public and help achieve understanding, acceptance and tolerance. Does anyone have a list of the phone numbers I need to get this ball rolling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years of an adolescent, nay, puerile, infatuation with atheism, I&#8217;ve got the religion bug. I am now a Shintoist. I can&#8217;t speak Japanese, but I commune with my fellow Shintoists in Japan over the internet. We&#8217;re very disgruntled with imperialist Western policy towards, oh, various things that I&#8217;m struggling to recall at the moment. </p>
<p>Three other UK worshippers and I are forming a Shintoist Council for Britain. I have appointed myself the Chairman of the SCB and would like to &#8216;do a meeting&#8217; with either a sympathetic, high-ranking member of the Metropolitan Police or a &#8216;mainstream&#8217; British politician who can represent our just demands to the British public and help achieve understanding, acceptance and tolerance. Does anyone have a list of the phone numbers I need to get this ball rolling?</p>
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		<title>By: DocMartyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocMartyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Guardian has become the UK leading Fascist Newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Guardian has become the UK leading Fascist Newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Peculier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Peculier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islamism&quot; was supposed to be bad and &quot;Islam&quot; good. Now we&#039;re supposed to embrace &quot;Islamism&quot; too, because it&#039;s all about justice?

I&#039;ve never bought into the Islam/Islamism distinction. After all, what other religion so frequently puts on an &quot;ism&quot; and blows people up, makes unreasonable demands, kills gays, apostates, rape victims, etc? 

When you say &quot;Islam&quot;, the ism is supefluous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islamism&#8221; was supposed to be bad and &#8220;Islam&#8221; good. Now we&#8217;re supposed to embrace &#8220;Islamism&#8221; too, because it&#8217;s all about justice?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never bought into the Islam/Islamism distinction. After all, what other religion so frequently puts on an &#8220;ism&#8221; and blows people up, makes unreasonable demands, kills gays, apostates, rape victims, etc? </p>
<p>When you say &#8220;Islam&#8221;, the ism is supefluous.</p>
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