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	<title>Comments on: Politics as Usual: Thoughts on the new government</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323482</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akus - you can&#039;t please everyone I suppose, although elsewhere I&#039;m being compared to Shakespeare - http://similarfaces.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/a-libertarians-note-on-umm-al-fahm/
Meanwhile, if you want to stop with the rant and say something of substance, I&#039;ll be happy to respond.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akus &#8211; you can&#8217;t please everyone I suppose, although elsewhere I&#8217;m being compared to Shakespeare &#8211; <a href="http://similarfaces.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/a-libertarians-note-on-umm-al-fahm/" rel="nofollow">http://similarfaces.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/a-libertarians-note-on-umm-al-fahm/</a><br />
Meanwhile, if you want to stop with the rant and say something of substance, I&#8217;ll be happy to respond.<br />
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		<title>By: parity ErRor</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323421</link>
		<dc:creator>parity ErRor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In that context, an orchestra playing for Holocaust survivors can be seen as legitimizing the Jewish argument for Palestinian dispossession&lt;/i&gt;

Another lie that people perpetuate that Israel exists because of The Holocaust. It exists because the Mandate for Palestine 1922 posited the idea of the Jewish National Home with self-governance. Israel came about because the British decided to leave in 1948 and res 181 granted a two-state solution, but rejected by the Arabs who attacked the Jews.

MORE Jews fled to Israel by from Arabs countries than arrived from Holocaust Europe - that was because the British prevented their immigration.

Between 1948 and 1967 Jews only populated what was Israel. After the 1967 war the invading foreign armies of Egypt and Jordan were repelled from Gaza and West Bank and then Jews began to live in West Bank in accordance with the Mandate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In that context, an orchestra playing for Holocaust survivors can be seen as legitimizing the Jewish argument for Palestinian dispossession</i></p>
<p>Another lie that people perpetuate that Israel exists because of The Holocaust. It exists because the Mandate for Palestine 1922 posited the idea of the Jewish National Home with self-governance. Israel came about because the British decided to leave in 1948 and res 181 granted a two-state solution, but rejected by the Arabs who attacked the Jews.</p>
<p>MORE Jews fled to Israel by from Arabs countries than arrived from Holocaust Europe &#8211; that was because the British prevented their immigration.</p>
<p>Between 1948 and 1967 Jews only populated what was Israel. After the 1967 war the invading foreign armies of Egypt and Jordan were repelled from Gaza and West Bank and then Jews began to live in West Bank in accordance with the Mandate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323417</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philo-Semite - I was linking to the piece about Lieberman being nicknamed a Tsar, which happens to have been highlighted on Silverstein&#039;s site. I wasn&#039;t quoting any of his arguments, although I would be perfectly prepared to do so if I agreed with him and/or there was another compelling reason to do so. I think use of the term house Jew is pretty offensive, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philo-Semite &#8211; I was linking to the piece about Lieberman being nicknamed a Tsar, which happens to have been highlighted on Silverstein&#8217;s site. I wasn&#8217;t quoting any of his arguments, although I would be perfectly prepared to do so if I agreed with him and/or there was another compelling reason to do so. I think use of the term house Jew is pretty offensive, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hasbara Buster</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323409</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hasbara Buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Any suggestion that this action of the PA stooges can possibly be justified in any way at all is disgusting. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the competing I/P narratives, the expulsion of Arabs and confiscation of their property is set against the Jews&#039; sufferings during the Holocaust and their need to establish a secure homeland. In that context, an orchestra playing for Holocaust survivors can be seen as legitimizing the Jewish argument for Palestinian dispossession. The fact that the students were not aware of the political implications of their performance does not help.

Of course, none of this &lt;i&gt;justifies&lt;/i&gt; the PA&#039;s decision to disband the orchestra. However, this hardly qualifies as uniquely uncivilized behavior. For instance, five years ago an Israeli ambassador to Sweden destroyed a fellow Israeli&#039;s work of art because he didn&#039;t like its political content. The Israeli government failed to apologize, i.e. the defacing was officially approved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Any suggestion that this action of the PA stooges can possibly be justified in any way at all is disgusting. </p></blockquote>
<p>In the competing I/P narratives, the expulsion of Arabs and confiscation of their property is set against the Jews&#8217; sufferings during the Holocaust and their need to establish a secure homeland. In that context, an orchestra playing for Holocaust survivors can be seen as legitimizing the Jewish argument for Palestinian dispossession. The fact that the students were not aware of the political implications of their performance does not help.</p>
<p>Of course, none of this <i>justifies</i> the PA&#8217;s decision to disband the orchestra. However, this hardly qualifies as uniquely uncivilized behavior. For instance, five years ago an Israeli ambassador to Sweden destroyed a fellow Israeli&#8217;s work of art because he didn&#8217;t like its political content. The Israeli government failed to apologize, i.e. the defacing was officially approved.</p>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323400</link>
		<dc:creator>AKUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the most pathetic pieces of writing I have seen on a supposedly serious topic in a long time.

It is the sort of essay I&#039;d expect from an elementary school student:

&quot;At first, Netanyahu tried to form a national unity government with Kadima. Having won more seats in the Knesset, Livni’s party arguably had more legitimacy to form a government than Likud. This meant that Bibi had to at least be seen going through the motions of trying to form a government with her. But I think his attempt was genuine&quot;. 

5th grade student version: &quot;How I spent the summer&quot;:

At first we went through the motions of having a nice picnic by the beach. Then the sun went down. This meant that the moon came out. But I think it was the genuine moon. And it was windy. And that&#039;s how I spent my summer vacation. Da-de-da-de-da-de-da.

&quot;This deal is being dubbed in some quarters as the Israeli equivalent of the Nazi-Soviet pact (despite the precedent of Dayan joining Begin in 1977 and Peres joining Sharon in 2001), so it’s worth being a bit more sober in our analysis&quot;.

Oh, for gawd&#039;s sake! &quot;The Nazi-Soviet&quot; pact!! Perhaps a little more like Joe Lieberman voting with the Republicans?

Pathetic. The amazing thing is that he has the gall to publish this as opposed to, for example, just reading PetraMB&#039;s incisive analysis of the same issue on CIF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the most pathetic pieces of writing I have seen on a supposedly serious topic in a long time.</p>
<p>It is the sort of essay I&#8217;d expect from an elementary school student:</p>
<p>&#8220;At first, Netanyahu tried to form a national unity government with Kadima. Having won more seats in the Knesset, Livni’s party arguably had more legitimacy to form a government than Likud. This meant that Bibi had to at least be seen going through the motions of trying to form a government with her. But I think his attempt was genuine&#8221;. </p>
<p>5th grade student version: &#8220;How I spent the summer&#8221;:</p>
<p>At first we went through the motions of having a nice picnic by the beach. Then the sun went down. This meant that the moon came out. But I think it was the genuine moon. And it was windy. And that&#8217;s how I spent my summer vacation. Da-de-da-de-da-de-da.</p>
<p>&#8220;This deal is being dubbed in some quarters as the Israeli equivalent of the Nazi-Soviet pact (despite the precedent of Dayan joining Begin in 1977 and Peres joining Sharon in 2001), so it’s worth being a bit more sober in our analysis&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh, for gawd&#8217;s sake! &#8220;The Nazi-Soviet&#8221; pact!! Perhaps a little more like Joe Lieberman voting with the Republicans?</p>
<p>Pathetic. The amazing thing is that he has the gall to publish this as opposed to, for example, just reading PetraMB&#8217;s incisive analysis of the same issue on CIF.</p>
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		<title>By: Cipriano</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323383</link>
		<dc:creator>Cipriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Iraq follows Iranian dictates, this means the American invasion was a failure, no?

    Off Topic!

Not as much as your bringing up the Jenin orchestra.&quot;

Yes, we know that you don&#039;t want the Jenin orchestra brought up. Because it proves that there is no chance of any kind of Palestinian organisation worth a pitcher of warm piss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Iraq follows Iranian dictates, this means the American invasion was a failure, no?</p>
<p>    Off Topic!</p>
<p>Not as much as your bringing up the Jenin orchestra.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we know that you don&#8217;t want the Jenin orchestra brought up. Because it proves that there is no chance of any kind of Palestinian organisation worth a pitcher of warm piss.</p>
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		<title>By: Cipriano</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323381</link>
		<dc:creator>Cipriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not at all. It [the Jenin youth orchestra] was disbanded because the teenagers were apparently dragged to a performance with political overtones without their being fully aware of it.&quot;

Sorry folks - I didn&#039;t see this post from HB-Not-the-sharpest-pencil-in-the-box before continuing a friendly conversation with him about national anthems.

&quot;dragged&quot; - where&#039;s the evidence for that? Ever tried dragging teenagers? I have. It didn&#039;t work.

And how can a performance for people in their 70s, 80s, 90s have &quot;political overtones&quot; Or are you saying that acknowledgement of the Holocaust is a &quot;political issue&quot;? 

Any suggestion that this action of the PA stooges can possibly be justified in any way at all is disgusting. It&#039;s not enough to disagree with it. The political power of those who did it - under no pressure at all - has to be undermined and disposed of. 

There can only be a Palestinian state when there exists some responsible element capable of operating one. Otherwise the whole concept is pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not at all. It [the Jenin youth orchestra] was disbanded because the teenagers were apparently dragged to a performance with political overtones without their being fully aware of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry folks &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see this post from HB-Not-the-sharpest-pencil-in-the-box before continuing a friendly conversation with him about national anthems.</p>
<p>&#8220;dragged&#8221; &#8211; where&#8217;s the evidence for that? Ever tried dragging teenagers? I have. It didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>And how can a performance for people in their 70s, 80s, 90s have &#8220;political overtones&#8221; Or are you saying that acknowledgement of the Holocaust is a &#8220;political issue&#8221;? </p>
<p>Any suggestion that this action of the PA stooges can possibly be justified in any way at all is disgusting. It&#8217;s not enough to disagree with it. The political power of those who did it &#8211; under no pressure at all &#8211; has to be undermined and disposed of. </p>
<p>There can only be a Palestinian state when there exists some responsible element capable of operating one. Otherwise the whole concept is pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hasbara Buster</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323380</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hasbara Buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;If Iraq follows Iranian dictates, this means the American invasion was a failure, no?&lt;/i&gt;

Off Topic!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not as much as your bringing up the Jenin orchestra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>If Iraq follows Iranian dictates, this means the American invasion was a failure, no?</i></p>
<p>Off Topic!</p></blockquote>
<p>Not as much as your bringing up the Jenin orchestra.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Israelis supported Hamas to undermine Fatah, yet the Palestinians are the fanatics.&quot;

Will this penetrate Busted&#039;s excuse for a brain? -
At that time, Hamas was not a genocidal terrorist organisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Israelis supported Hamas to undermine Fatah, yet the Palestinians are the fanatics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will this penetrate Busted&#8217;s excuse for a brain? -<br />
At that time, Hamas was not a genocidal terrorist organisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/29/politics-as-usual-thoughts-on-the-new-government/comment-page-1/#comment-323355</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the article&#039;s author not realise he loses all credibility by reference to Richard Silverstein?

Leave Silverstein among the other house Jews over at the &lt;i&gt;Guardian&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the article&#8217;s author not realise he loses all credibility by reference to Richard Silverstein?</p>
<p>Leave Silverstein among the other house Jews over at the <i>Guardian</i>.</p>
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