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	<title>Comments on: Hazel Blears -v- The MCB</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Clap Hammer</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/27/hazel-blears-v-the-mcb/comment-page-2/#comment-323142</link>
		<dc:creator>Clap Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tevya  - It is clear that the UK government should not provide support to, or collaborate on projects with, an institution of any kind that advocates violence against British society or any part of it.

The MCB has in the past, happily condoned terrorism and today says that it does not. The people there are the same. It is simply an organisation trying to re-invent itself for the purposes of PR. Not of real content. As long as Bungle is still part of it, it should be a proscribed organisation and he is not the only one.

This episode has caught them with their nickers.

Dam Harrys Place and investigative journalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tevya  &#8211; It is clear that the UK government should not provide support to, or collaborate on projects with, an institution of any kind that advocates violence against British society or any part of it.</p>
<p>The MCB has in the past, happily condoned terrorism and today says that it does not. The people there are the same. It is simply an organisation trying to re-invent itself for the purposes of PR. Not of real content. As long as Bungle is still part of it, it should be a proscribed organisation and he is not the only one.</p>
<p>This episode has caught them with their nickers.</p>
<p>Dam Harrys Place and investigative journalism</p>
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		<title>By: MITNAGED</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/27/hazel-blears-v-the-mcb/comment-page-2/#comment-323053</link>
		<dc:creator>MITNAGED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eddie, I can sympathise.

We have friends of very long standing who are Quakers but who don&#039;t seem to have the first idea how offensive the Friends&#039; mindless support of pro-terror groups is to us, or the inherent contradiction in the Friends&#039; support of warlike organisations.  I cannot decide whether or not this is naivety or something quite other, but I certainly don&#039;t want to lose their friendship.

But I think I came near to that in my reply to an email from them to which was attached an article by Uri Avnery, entitled &quot;On the Wrong Side.&quot;   The heading of that email was also interesting - &quot;On the Wrong Side - written by a Jewish Israeli&quot; (as if somehow that made his views more acceptable or right).

I tried to be as tactful as I could in my reply, but I hope I made myself clear.  But I haven&#039;t heard from them since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eddie, I can sympathise.</p>
<p>We have friends of very long standing who are Quakers but who don&#8217;t seem to have the first idea how offensive the Friends&#8217; mindless support of pro-terror groups is to us, or the inherent contradiction in the Friends&#8217; support of warlike organisations.  I cannot decide whether or not this is naivety or something quite other, but I certainly don&#8217;t want to lose their friendship.</p>
<p>But I think I came near to that in my reply to an email from them to which was attached an article by Uri Avnery, entitled &#8220;On the Wrong Side.&#8221;   The heading of that email was also interesting &#8211; &#8220;On the Wrong Side &#8211; written by a Jewish Israeli&#8221; (as if somehow that made his views more acceptable or right).</p>
<p>I tried to be as tactful as I could in my reply, but I hope I made myself clear.  But I haven&#8217;t heard from them since.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a good programme on C4&#039;s &#039;Unreported World&#039; last night about &#039;honour&#039; killings in Turkey. Apparantly they are quite frequent in certain areas, (200 last year) but lately many have been officialy logged as suicides rather than murders. The explanation given was that with Turkey being keen to become part of the EU, it wanted to be seen to be cracking down on these killings and so introduced a mandatory life sentence as punishment. However, the number of deaths has not fallen -the &#039;suicide&#039; rate among women has risen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a good programme on C4&#8217;s &#8216;Unreported World&#8217; last night about &#8216;honour&#8217; killings in Turkey. Apparantly they are quite frequent in certain areas, (200 last year) but lately many have been officialy logged as suicides rather than murders. The explanation given was that with Turkey being keen to become part of the EU, it wanted to be seen to be cracking down on these killings and so introduced a mandatory life sentence as punishment. However, the number of deaths has not fallen -the &#8217;suicide&#8217; rate among women has risen.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Peculier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Peculier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So I suppose the Muslim guy I was in the pub with earlier was a figment of my imagination? &lt;/i&gt;

No, he&#039;s just not a proper Muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So I suppose the Muslim guy I was in the pub with earlier was a figment of my imagination? </i></p>
<p>No, he&#8217;s just not a proper Muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: Fisticuffs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fisticuffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;perhaps you shoul not rely on shoddy translations from MEMRI &amp; then all would be clarified.&lt;/em&gt;

Tony B, perhaps you can show where MEMRI translations are not accurate...hmmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>perhaps you shoul not rely on shoddy translations from MEMRI &amp; then all would be clarified.</em></p>
<p>Tony B, perhaps you can show where MEMRI translations are not accurate&#8230;hmmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps you shoul not rely on shoddy translations from MEMRI &amp; then all would be clarified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps you shoul not rely on shoddy translations from MEMRI &amp; then all would be clarified.</p>
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		<title>By: Fisticuffs</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/27/hazel-blears-v-the-mcb/comment-page-2/#comment-323002</link>
		<dc:creator>Fisticuffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Final point, any idea that Turkey is fit for EU membership should be over now, following them allowing this potentially very dangerous Jihadist conference on their territory.&lt;/em&gt;

Quite.  Especially as the Turkish PM gave a keynote address at this very conference.  Check out the following book for a sound examination of the case for denying Turkish membership:

http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Far-Turkey-European-Union/dp/9078898135

Better still, the UK should withdraw from the EU treaties by act of parliament and engage with Europe on a purely trading basis.

&lt;em&gt;Incidentally, isn’t it amazing that you can’t discriminate against someone on grounds of ethnicity or religion when filling a job vacancy but you can when making a charitable donation.&lt;/em&gt;

Christian charities generally offer succour indiscriminately; Islamic charities are more discerning according to the prerequisites of shari&#039;ah.  The recipients of aid are carefully circumscribed: zakat/alms monies may only fund infidels if the funds advance the cause of Islam or indirectly benefits the ummah.  Check out any Islamic charity&#039;s a/c&#039;s via the Charity Commission website and you&#039;ll notice the high expenditure on propaganda materials.  Of course, as is the case with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jimas.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JIMAS&lt;/a&gt; (run by that pre-eminent dissimulator Abu Muntasir), there&#039;s always a desultory payment of some kind to a non-partisan cause so that the facade of &#039;working for religious harmony&#039; or &#039;empowering communities&#039; can be maintained.

JIMAS, an Arabic acronym meaning &#039;The Association to Revive the Way of the Messenger&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Final point, any idea that Turkey is fit for EU membership should be over now, following them allowing this potentially very dangerous Jihadist conference on their territory.</em></p>
<p>Quite.  Especially as the Turkish PM gave a keynote address at this very conference.  Check out the following book for a sound examination of the case for denying Turkish membership:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Far-Turkey-European-Union/dp/9078898135" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Far-Turkey-European-Union/dp/9078898135</a></p>
<p>Better still, the UK should withdraw from the EU treaties by act of parliament and engage with Europe on a purely trading basis.</p>
<p><em>Incidentally, isn’t it amazing that you can’t discriminate against someone on grounds of ethnicity or religion when filling a job vacancy but you can when making a charitable donation.</em></p>
<p>Christian charities generally offer succour indiscriminately; Islamic charities are more discerning according to the prerequisites of shari&#8217;ah.  The recipients of aid are carefully circumscribed: zakat/alms monies may only fund infidels if the funds advance the cause of Islam or indirectly benefits the ummah.  Check out any Islamic charity&#8217;s a/c&#8217;s via the Charity Commission website and you&#8217;ll notice the high expenditure on propaganda materials.  Of course, as is the case with <a href="http://www.jimas.org/" rel="nofollow">JIMAS</a> (run by that pre-eminent dissimulator Abu Muntasir), there&#8217;s always a desultory payment of some kind to a non-partisan cause so that the facade of &#8216;working for religious harmony&#8217; or &#8216;empowering communities&#8217; can be maintained.</p>
<p>JIMAS, an Arabic acronym meaning &#8216;The Association to Revive the Way of the Messenger&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, that was a mistranslation. What he really, really meant was &quot;licking&quot;, as in &quot;slurping&quot; (not as in &quot;beating&quot;). 
The letters K and L look very similar in Arabic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, that was a mistranslation. What he really, really meant was &#8220;licking&#8221;, as in &#8220;slurping&#8221; (not as in &#8220;beating&#8221;).<br />
The letters K and L look very similar in Arabic.</p>
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		<title>By: parity ErRor</title>
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		<dc:creator>parity ErRor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny Tonge &lt;b&gt;&quot;unless Israel abandons settlements I can understand why antisemitism in Europe may rise&quot;&lt;/b&gt; http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/5470/102/#jreactions

&quot;I understand now what the Israeli Lobby is all about&quot; says Tonge. Needs an HP thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny Tonge <b>&#8220;unless Israel abandons settlements I can understand why antisemitism in Europe may rise&#8221;</b> <a href="http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/5470/102/#jreactions" rel="nofollow">http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/5470/102/#jreactions</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I understand now what the Israeli Lobby is all about&#8221; says Tonge. Needs an HP thread.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There isn&#039;t any point in talking with &quot;Dr&quot; Abdullah, nor indeed anyone else belonging to these organisations.

If forced against the wall, they&#039;ll just tell you everything, absolutely everything you&#039;d want to hear!

Islamists simply don&#039;t &quot;DO&quot; truth and transparence, and this because the complete inability to &quot;DO&quot; either is an essential and indispensable pre-requisite for becoming an islamist.

How could any human being who embraces the falsehoods, delusions and outright myths of Islamism still have an interest in truth and transparence?

We&#039;re not talking about a couple of liberal, sandal-shod Catholics here.

One other thing, Mz Blears should not only freeze out &quot;Dr&quot; Abdullah, she should also send him packing back to his country of origin.

He has, afterall, called for the &lt;b&gt;killing&lt;/b&gt; of British soldiers and sailors.

You don&#039;t fuck around with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t any point in talking with &#8220;Dr&#8221; Abdullah, nor indeed anyone else belonging to these organisations.</p>
<p>If forced against the wall, they&#8217;ll just tell you everything, absolutely everything you&#8217;d want to hear!</p>
<p>Islamists simply don&#8217;t &#8220;DO&#8221; truth and transparence, and this because the complete inability to &#8220;DO&#8221; either is an essential and indispensable pre-requisite for becoming an islamist.</p>
<p>How could any human being who embraces the falsehoods, delusions and outright myths of Islamism still have an interest in truth and transparence?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about a couple of liberal, sandal-shod Catholics here.</p>
<p>One other thing, Mz Blears should not only freeze out &#8220;Dr&#8221; Abdullah, she should also send him packing back to his country of origin.</p>
<p>He has, afterall, called for the <b>killing</b> of British soldiers and sailors.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t fuck around with that.</p>
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