Well, if I’m to look for some minimimal common ground, Tentacle, I would have to say that I’m pleased to see that you have at least conceded the possibility of there sometimes being a distinction between justice and the law.

So thinking something means that you should be punished by actually having what you are thinking done to you should it?

Fucking hell you are some confused weirdo.

Wtf? Cut and paste one instance of me “apologising” for anything on this thread you dishonest cunt. Satan himself would be a paragon of virtue compared to deluded liars like you.

So lets get this straight. If I say that I have said nothing about supporting violence on this thread then I am “no different to a UVF man going out to shoot a Sinn Fein councillor in 1989?”

That’s some weird “logic” boy! Are you sure that you can read and have been reading anything I have posted because it sure looks to me like you are making up fantasies about what others have said and “putting yourself in others shoes” before they have even opened their mouths.

By the way, I have said nothing about supporting violence in the present instance, but it may be worth reminding those who are arguing that it is never justified about what the BNP themselves are capable of (in fact having watched this you would not put it past them having organised the “hammer attack” themselves):

You miss the point. Sometimes violence, pepper spray, whatever, is necessary to control a hen night gone out of hand. It certainly might be needed in order to control a group of members of the BNP. But if the BNP are breaking the law then that is the business of the police. Frankly you’re no different than a UVF man going out to shoot a Sinn Fein coincillor in 1989 EVEN IF your argument is correct. But your argument isn’t even correct. The BNP aren’t even Sinn Fein circa 1989. That UVF man is a paragon of moral virtue in comparison to what you’re apologising for.

“Themmuns is evil”. FFS Even the BNP has members who are just somebodies granny who doesn’t like that her grandson can’t get a job as a bricky without speaking Polish and get’s annoyed at seeing Andy Choudhry on GMTV. Have a bit of human insight FFS. Have a bit of wit. You wouldn’t accept people advocated beating the shit out of members of UAF on the grounds of showing that hammer attack. The logic just doesn’t hold. A lot of members of UAF are just students going along with a particular notion, not hammer wielding hate filled monsters. Be a human being. Put yourself in others shoes.

I don’t think opposing violent fascists violently contradicts democracy, Tentacle (although it may well contradict the principles liberal democracy), any more than overthrowing Saddam Hussein contradicts the principles of justice (even though it may well contradict international law). But that is so much the worse for liberal democracy and international law, in my opinion.

You put in all kinds of qualifiers and rhetoric. If you believe that, for example, Simone Clarke, or Richard Barnbrook or whoever else, should have her face smashed in for being a member of the BNP, then quite frankly YOU deserve to be held down and have your face smashed in, though thankfully we have the law of the land to make such justice unnecessary. Try any of your immoral acts and you rightfully belong in a prison cell.

I say exactly the same about any member of the BNP who would do the same to members of the listed organisations above, however I do not have such scum in front of me, whereas I do have you at the other end of the keyboard, the opposite type of scum, or at the very least an apologist for them.

There will undoubtedly be more hammer attacks as that is the kind of society we live in (who wins? Depends how the press decides to spin things) – as to who will attack who you are now projecting a desire for a prediction that even Mystic Meg could not satisfy.

But it is nice to know that if anyone did they would stand a good chance of being whisked away to S America with the Popes blessing!

Just had a call about what actually happened, it seems to be firming up. It seems that Liverpool gangster, drug dealer and Griffin minder Joey Owens wound up some BNP people that the protesters were a bunch of spotty students. However when they got down there a lot of other people came out of the pub and they got hammered.”

Interesting as if TerryFitz had been contacted by anyone in ‘the know’ he would be aware that Owens in fact claims that two of Liverpool BNP are involved with SB.

Who wins out of this confrontation? Will their vote be affected in the Euroelections?
Will there be more ‘hammer’ attacks and if so by whom on whom?

Well, Graham, it’s not as though the Holy See would stoop to bombing your subway.

The various anti-fascist groups have a similar orientation and outlook as well as similar alliances as the current “anti-war” crowd.