Comments on: Hazel Blears Was Only Moussawi Opponent

By: NW LibDem

NW LibDem — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:15:52 +0000

Somebody asked about the Lib Dem conference motion. Yes, it did pass, and here is what it says.

Conference therefore calls:
1. On the UK Government to propose to the United Nations Security Council an international tribunal with powers to prosecute and compel the appearance of suspects and witnesses to investigate whether war crimes have been committed by Israel, Hamas and any other parties during Israel’s attack on Gaza, with the intention that there should be full accountability for any or all persons who ordered or executed such war crimes, including criminal penalties and the payment of reparations.
2. On all parties to agree a permanent ceasefire and an opening of the border crossings into Gaza, as the first step to negotiating a comprehensive and final peace settlement, with negotiations to take place on the basis of good faith, the principles of international law, all relevant UN Security Council Resolutions and reference to the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative.
3. For a new initiative by the British Government to work with the European Union and the United States to provide assistance to all parties to prevent arms smuggling into Gaza.
4. For Britain and the European Union to make it clear to Israel that the existing EU-Israel Association Agreement will now be suspended if Israel does not urgently lift the blockade of Gaza, including of construction materials essential for rebuilding Gaza’s basic public infrastructure such as sewage and water works, schools and hospitals.

What was worse than the actual motion was the emotional manner that it was debated. Chris Davies was at his worst, and then there was the report we got later from him about it.

I was pleased that a motion calling for suspension of the EU-Israel
association agreement was passed by an overwhelming majority. “Enough is
enough,” I said in my speech. “The European Commission claims that our
close partnership with Israel gives us influence over policy. In fact
Israel ignores every word we speak. Time for words to be supported by
deeds.”

And this after Ed Davey had defended part 4 as merely to put pressure on the Israelis to end the horrible situation. It seems that Chris Davies must know that the pressure won’t work. Should I talk to Nick Clegg about this misrepresentation? Also so much for that all powerful LDFI Jewish Lobby, there were a half a dozen of us. It gave me a bit of rush thinking of the power he believes we hold. Any recommendations on who to vote for in the Northwest for the Euro election? I don’t suppose it’s possible to vote for Lib Dem, but not Chris Davies. With the BNP on ticket as well, we have no shortage of racists.

By: Israelinurse

Israelinurse — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:35:36 +0000

David T. on Hizbollah -(main article)
‘killed Jews-not simply Israelis- all over the world’

Is that a statement of belief regarding the expendability of Israelis, David?
It rather sounds as though you EXPECT Israelis to be killed, but not Jews outside of Israel, and that the two categories are different in your view.
Rather too NIMBY for my liking I’m afraid, but I guess it’s always advantageous to know exactly where one stands…

By: Ben Qurayzah

Ben Qurayzah — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:10:15 +0000

Labour’s policy seems to be to hang on grimly until direct rule from Brussels is introduced within the next two years. The Tories wouldn’t pull us out of the EU in any case. Europe’s strategy for cultural and physical survival is unity in the face of the common enemy, as history has proved, and the architecture for European superstate fascism is already in place, legislatively, technologically and militarily. The conditions at street level are close to intolerable throughout Holland, France, Belgium, Sweden, Germany and the UK and the veneer of governmental appeasement merely serves to build the fear and fury of the people, so that they will accept the actions that will have to be taken. The EU will, of course, cheerfully sacrifice Israel, as it has sacrificed Lebanon, Kenya and Kosovo, most likely as the force majeur event required for total victory, but also because the idea of the nation state, especially a Jewish one, is anathema to all empires. For these reasons, decent men and women must prepare themselves for an alternative scenario which will preserve the nations of Europe and the wider world and defeat the enemies of diversity once and for all.

By: socialrepublican

socialrepublican — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:43:49 +0000

My bets on JP, Maven, Fabian, SK and Ellen Tigh. Morgy might be a little ‘coarse’ for his tastes. But all harmless speculation or ruthless spit flecked bullying. Whichever floats yer boat

By: Faintly Cambridgian

Faintly Cambridgian — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:59:50 +0000

Maybe he even believes that he isn’t a hypocrite – delusional types do.

By: Graham

Graham — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:22:09 +0000

To be honest I think he means Morgoth.

By: socialrepublican

socialrepublican — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:30:53 +0000

‘Ven is always reading. He’s like Big Brother (in a mitre.)’

Hahahahahahahahahahaha….oh, I think I just peed a little bit

‘The ones who take me seriously here, count among them some of the very best posters’.

But whom are these mysterious vb posters? Are they like the final five, destined to walk amongst us, not knowing their true identity till circumstances or fate brings them to the realisation they take NO seriously? That must be a kidney punch

By: Ben

Ben — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:53:57 +0000

Can I just say that this thread has been priceless. I offer the participants a standing ovation for having made me chuckle out loud on several occasions.

By: Faintly Cambridgian

Faintly Cambridgian — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:41:14 +0000

I didn’t call another poster a thick goon (although that seems quite accurate for you, so perhaps you do need the hand-holding). I didn’t call Labour supporters qua Labour supporters ‘filth’. I criticised the government of the day

You two are really totally brainless wankers.

I think that’s Game over.

By: Ben

Ben — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:28:06 +0000

“Maybe if you came around with your big brother and a squad of your mates …”

Fuck off. Yes, because that’s the kind of politics I espouse. You stupid muppet.

I don’t want to be excessively unfair here, but you’ve just taken one hell of a beating, Nearly.

And the reason why is not because you’re the one true source of correctness, but rather because you are completely histrionic and wrong, and then, when you feel the heat, you accuse others of base motives and political savagery.

Bollocks.

Faintly, Insert Pompus and Graham have – rather amusingly and not unfairly – given you a taste of your own medicine.

I don’t have a problem with you (I think you’re a histrionic idiot who sometimes makes some good points), but I’d be a damn sight happier if you didn’t accuse others like me of political thuggery and victimisation.

The fact that the very idea is silly makes it sort of funny, but I suggest you think carefully before attacking people in an unfair and obviously wrong manner.

And just grow up generally. Stop being such a nutter.