Comments on: Trojan Horse Theology

By: Cyrus

Cyrus — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:56:18 +0000

An eye-opening post. ‘anti-Israel priests Michael Langrish and John Gladwin’ are not just priests but bishops (of Exeter and Chelmsford respectively). Langrish is currently a Trustee of Christian Aid. Gladwin stepped down last year after 10 years as Chair of CA. So much for CA distancing itself from the appalling Baroness Tonge.

By: Comstock

Comstock — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:23:42 +0000

It is pure bonkerism we live in a society where we tolerate anything except the BNP. using a bit of subterfuge!

By: Cipriano

Cipriano — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:56:44 +0000

Israelinurse – too right. Anti-Zionists are anti-Semites, and Hamas and such like are advocates of the next Holocaust. We can’t get all of them out of this country, but we sure as hell can attack them for what they are whenever they put their filthy heads above the parapet. If I ever meet a woman such as the one you encountered, I will tell her without any hesitation to get her f**king burka on. Nor will I recognise a “degree” from the Bradford Institute of Peace Studies.

By: Israelinurse

Israelinurse — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:01:42 +0000

Shrewsfan -I’m not sure what exactly goes on at Bradford Uni’s Department of Peace Studies, but my personal experience suggests that it has little to do with peace.
One of its graduates with whom I engaged once in a ‘discussion’ when asked if, as a Jew, I have a right to self determination refused to answer the question.
When I then asked if, in her opinion, as a Jew I have the right to exist, she also refused to answer.
I didn’t take that as an expression of peaceful intentions or opinions.

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:53:17 +0000

Serendipity -

not sure how you are using ‘conflation’ here. 99.99999% of the time, anti-Zionism IS antisemitism.

By: Serendipity

Serendipity — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:06:46 +0000

Seismic Shock, you have given us yet another instance of the typical too-ready conflation of anti-Zionism with antisemitism on the part of these Arabs. Sabeel is not merely anti-Zionist – it also hates Jews:

John P, Sabeel’s founder, the Rev Naim Ateek, blames Israel, rather than the PA or Hamas, for the oppression of Christians and probably for his own Jew-hatred. He probably believes that if Arab Christians can curry favour with the PA by hating Jews, then they will be left in peace. It’s evident that they are not being left in peace.

Ateek also argued, as a way to deflect the blame from Palestinians for the choice of suicide bombing as a weapon, that suicide terror was first used by Jews in Bible times, when Samson pulled down the temple at Dagon. This comparison is, of course, as fatuous as it is malicious, given the motives of the modern-day suicide terrorists to whom Ateek gives his unstinting sympathy for the suicide murder of Israeli civilians, and yet his followers swallow it, hook line and sinker.

Ateek and Sabeel also engage in revision theology, by which they try to deny the links of the Jewish people to Israel from Bible times, and argue that Jesus was a Palestinian.

The material at the following link is particularly disturbing, although some of the links in it are defunct:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1409

Note the Jews as Christ killers analogy, where Ateek and Sabeel draw comparisons with the “crucifixion” of the Palestinian people by Israel.

Charming folk.

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:44:21 +0000

Gilad Atzmon, a musician, writer and educator born and
educated in Israel was in Bradford in May speaking, leading a
workshop and playing with his group

He was playing with something, that’s for sure.

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:42:57 +0000

Well, not “liberally” but you know what I mean.

As long as you keep the quotation marks in place, I for one won’t argue with “liberally”.

By: John P.

John P. — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:24:52 +0000

Friends of Sabeel UK is a religious front group for political anti-Zionism, and should be recognised as such by British citizens.

Your are quite correct.

And if they’re so into Christian aid and support and such, one wonders why they’re so silent on the oppression of the region’s Christian minorities.

I guess denouncing Israel takes every last ounce of their time, energy and resources.

By: Tevya

Tevya — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:14:49 +0000

Hey Fabian, I agree all your points. Things are quite mixed up here as Stalin’s communists (and Hitler’s Nazis) borrowed liberally from each other. Well, not “liberally” but you know what I mean.

But just on the dates, neither Nasser’s Egypt nor the PLO really entered a Moscow orbit until post-1956 – by which time von Leers was already a key player in Nasser’s Ministry of Truth (Culture Ministry), and Husseini, certainly not pro-Communist, had been leading Arab antisemitic propaganda for years.

I think you’re right on the PLO’s adoption of “liberation” style language, esp. late ’60s and ’70s. It’s interesting how, as Palestinian politics have swung from the PLO to Hamas, the propaganda style seems to have returned to the older Husseini, and Nazi, tropes.