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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Serendipity</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303453</link>
		<dc:creator>Serendipity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last defence of the Islamist apologist scoundrel, HPHypocrite, and utterly transparent in its motives, is to resort to the &quot;lost in translation&quot; argument when one examines translations of Arabic which demonstrate less savoury characteristics of Islam.

&lt;b&gt;If&lt;/b&gt; MEMRI cuts clips, takes comments out of context, then it surely does no worse nor different than the BBC and the other media.  The coverage of Cast Lead is a case in point, where there was no contextualisation at all.

And again &lt;b&gt; if &lt;/b&gt;MEMRI is at fault, then those at the receiving end of it should not complain when they themselves are often not above bending the truth to suit their own nefarious purposes.

Brian Whittaker is an Arabist who has his own axe to grind with MEMRI, (I remember reading his very lame attempt at defence of Farfur the Rabbit on Palestinian TV on, you guessed it, Cesspit is Free) and is therefore hardly an objective commentator on it and neither is Norman Finkelstein, given his biases.

In short, it&#039;s a case of the biter bit if these biased individuals are to be believed, isn&#039;t it HPHypocrite?  Islamists can dish it out but they can&#039;t take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last defence of the Islamist apologist scoundrel, HPHypocrite, and utterly transparent in its motives, is to resort to the &#8220;lost in translation&#8221; argument when one examines translations of Arabic which demonstrate less savoury characteristics of Islam.</p>
<p><b>If</b> MEMRI cuts clips, takes comments out of context, then it surely does no worse nor different than the BBC and the other media.  The coverage of Cast Lead is a case in point, where there was no contextualisation at all.</p>
<p>And again <b> if </b>MEMRI is at fault, then those at the receiving end of it should not complain when they themselves are often not above bending the truth to suit their own nefarious purposes.</p>
<p>Brian Whittaker is an Arabist who has his own axe to grind with MEMRI, (I remember reading his very lame attempt at defence of Farfur the Rabbit on Palestinian TV on, you guessed it, Cesspit is Free) and is therefore hardly an objective commentator on it and neither is Norman Finkelstein, given his biases.</p>
<p>In short, it&#8217;s a case of the biter bit if these biased individuals are to be believed, isn&#8217;t it HPHypocrite?  Islamists can dish it out but they can&#8217;t take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303344</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is more than happens in this country where clerics aren’t even challenged over it when Muslims who convert are targeted by their communities and the liberal-left and the police just look the other way and the Church of England…, well, we have Rowan Williams.&quot; – devorgilla.

No. We have the Common Law. For example, several people who murdered their (female) relatives because their &#039;faith&#039; told them they must, now reside at Her Majesty&#039;s Pleasure.

If the churches wish to come to an accommodation with Islamists over such matters I for one would make plain my objection. To sin is one thing; to break the Law is another quite different matter, something I was taught at me CoE primary school.

I regard the process whereby modernist open and pluralistic societies accommodate Islam with abhorrence and far from being a positive step, regard it as being of a deeply retrograde significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is more than happens in this country where clerics aren’t even challenged over it when Muslims who convert are targeted by their communities and the liberal-left and the police just look the other way and the Church of England…, well, we have Rowan Williams.&#8221; – devorgilla.</p>
<p>No. We have the Common Law. For example, several people who murdered their (female) relatives because their &#8216;faith&#8217; told them they must, now reside at Her Majesty&#8217;s Pleasure.</p>
<p>If the churches wish to come to an accommodation with Islamists over such matters I for one would make plain my objection. To sin is one thing; to break the Law is another quite different matter, something I was taught at me CoE primary school.</p>
<p>I regard the process whereby modernist open and pluralistic societies accommodate Islam with abhorrence and far from being a positive step, regard it as being of a deeply retrograde significance.</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303291</link>
		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are many benign and positive aspects to the Islamic faith.&lt;/i&gt;

Was there really any need for this straining-to-be-oh-so-politically-correct platitude?

Didn&#039;t you really mean: &quot;There are lots and lots of peaceful and decent Muslims out there -- and I oh so desperately want the rest of us all to believe that they are peaceful and decent because of Islam&quot;?

&lt;i&gt;The Quran isn’t one of them (without extensive hermeneutics of the type practiced by the traditional ulema).&lt;/i&gt;

I couldn&#039;t parse this at all, never mind the suggestion that there is such a beast as Islam without the Quran.  More wishful thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are many benign and positive aspects to the Islamic faith.</i></p>
<p>Was there really any need for this straining-to-be-oh-so-politically-correct platitude?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you really mean: &#8220;There are lots and lots of peaceful and decent Muslims out there &#8212; and I oh so desperately want the rest of us all to believe that they are peaceful and decent because of Islam&#8221;?</p>
<p><i>The Quran isn’t one of them (without extensive hermeneutics of the type practiced by the traditional ulema).</i></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t parse this at all, never mind the suggestion that there is such a beast as Islam without the Quran.  More wishful thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303285</link>
		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(Muslims are alowed to take aspirin right? They’re not an insidious Zionist conspiracy to control the Ummah through pain eradication or anything?)&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I just bought a bottle of generic famotidine tablets at the chain pharmacy.  &quot;Made in Israel&quot;.  

Muslims are in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(Muslims are alowed to take aspirin right? They’re not an insidious Zionist conspiracy to control the Ummah through pain eradication or anything?)</i></p>
<p>Well, I just bought a bottle of generic famotidine tablets at the chain pharmacy.  &#8220;Made in Israel&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Muslims are in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Koppers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303202</link>
		<dc:creator>Koppers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Says someone who uses the far right MEMRI as a resource!&lt;/em&gt;

Memri translates you prick, it is not an opinion or editorial resource and does not pretend to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Says someone who uses the far right MEMRI as a resource!</em></p>
<p>Memri translates you prick, it is not an opinion or editorial resource and does not pretend to be.</p>
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		<title>By: ami</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303157</link>
		<dc:creator>ami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asylum is about seeking safety in the most immediate way: Gee whizz what have I missed: I have just reread the 3 thick tomes on my desk on the subject, not to mention the 1951 UN convention, the 1967 Protocol, and all the UK legislation, and I just cannot seem to find that bit. Could you help me out here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asylum is about seeking safety in the most immediate way: Gee whizz what have I missed: I have just reread the 3 thick tomes on my desk on the subject, not to mention the 1951 UN convention, the 1967 Protocol, and all the UK legislation, and I just cannot seem to find that bit. Could you help me out here?</p>
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		<title>By: devorgilla</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303133</link>
		<dc:creator>devorgilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larkers, stop playing stupid. The Muslims have theologically reviewed their position on apostasy by dialogue with the Lutheran Church. 

This is more than happens in this country where clerics aren&#039;t even challenged over it when Muslims who convert are targeted by their communities and the liberal-left and the police just look the other way and the Church of England..., well, we have Rowan Williams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larkers, stop playing stupid. The Muslims have theologically reviewed their position on apostasy by dialogue with the Lutheran Church. </p>
<p>This is more than happens in this country where clerics aren&#8217;t even challenged over it when Muslims who convert are targeted by their communities and the liberal-left and the police just look the other way and the Church of England&#8230;, well, we have Rowan Williams.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303121</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You know perfectly well that no-one can be killed for such a reason in Norway. What was important was the theological agreement.
That was a shift - and there is a record, a precedent. A first.&quot; – devorgilla.

That Moslems in Norway would abide by Norwegian law? This is a &#039;theological agreement&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You know perfectly well that no-one can be killed for such a reason in Norway. What was important was the theological agreement.<br />
That was a shift &#8211; and there is a record, a precedent. A first.&#8221; – devorgilla.</p>
<p>That Moslems in Norway would abide by Norwegian law? This is a &#8216;theological agreement&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: devorgilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>devorgilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Thank you, but I did not misunderstand. Was this ‘agreement’ that Moslems in Norway could not be killed by other Moslems (only in Norway?) if they chose to ‘leave’ Islam behind?&#039;

You know perfectly well that no-one can be killed for such a reason in Norway. What was important was the theological agreement.

That was a shift - and there is a record, a precedent. A first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Thank you, but I did not misunderstand. Was this ‘agreement’ that Moslems in Norway could not be killed by other Moslems (only in Norway?) if they chose to ‘leave’ Islam behind?&#8217;</p>
<p>You know perfectly well that no-one can be killed for such a reason in Norway. What was important was the theological agreement.</p>
<p>That was a shift &#8211; and there is a record, a precedent. A first.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/12/fancy-that/comment-page-2/#comment-303072</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No, you misunderstand. They have extracted out of the Muslims an agreement that they (Christians) can evangelise amongst Muslims without penalty (sic) to the converts (from Islam to Christianity) as well as of course, vice versa.
They have come to a common agreement about freedom of religious conscience in Norway.&quot; – devorgilla.

Thank you, but  I did not misunderstand. Was this &#039;agreement&#039; that Moslems in Norway could not be killed by other Moslems (only in Norway?) if they chose to &#039;leave&#039; Islam behind? I presume (shrewdly perhaps) no one planning to leave the Lutheran Church of Norway was under any such similar threat?

Does Norway have a Statue against murder? Was it in force at the time of this historic &#039;agreement&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, you misunderstand. They have extracted out of the Muslims an agreement that they (Christians) can evangelise amongst Muslims without penalty (sic) to the converts (from Islam to Christianity) as well as of course, vice versa.<br />
They have come to a common agreement about freedom of religious conscience in Norway.&#8221; – devorgilla.</p>
<p>Thank you, but  I did not misunderstand. Was this &#8216;agreement&#8217; that Moslems in Norway could not be killed by other Moslems (only in Norway?) if they chose to &#8216;leave&#8217; Islam behind? I presume (shrewdly perhaps) no one planning to leave the Lutheran Church of Norway was under any such similar threat?</p>
<p>Does Norway have a Statue against murder? Was it in force at the time of this historic &#8216;agreement&#8217;?</p>
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