Comments on: Sri Lanka, Israel http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:59:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: CF http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-335272 CF Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:12:40 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-335272 Apologies. <i>(from Googling “the” == same number of results as “socialism”)</i> should read (from Googling “the” == same number of results as “socialis<b>t</b>” - a word that ought to be on every page). The point stands. Apologies.

(from Googling “the” == same number of results as “socialism”)

should read

(from Googling “the” == same number of results as “socialist” – a word that ought to be on every page).

The point stands.

]]> By: CF http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-335271 CF Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:09:36 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-335271 <i>"Erm… there are 12,000 results for Tamil on socialist worker"</i> Yeah, but there's only 8000 hits for "socialism" on the Socialist Worker website. Something is wrong with Google, their archives, or the focus of their site has changed a bit! Actually - it has to do with the way their news is aggregated. They have 29000 pages roughly (from Googling "the" == same number of results as "socialism"). Google's robots will hunt their archives regularly, meaning all current headlines (e.g. "massive Tamil demonstration in London") will crop up up on many of those pages as hits. That 12000 of these 29000 webpages would be coverage of Sri Lanka and/or Tamils ought to have set alarm bells ringing... Actually <b>looking</b> at the Google results (rather than doubleposting some "wah wah wah!" cheap point-scoring shite) would have confirmed this. By page 2, "tamil" is turning up in articles entitled: <i>"Limits to mortgage help: ticking timebomb", "Thursday morning at Visteon occupations" and "Slavoj Zizek's Ideas need to link with reality".</i> Are these all articles about Sri Lanka and/or Tamils? Christ. The Socialist Worker then has roughly 10 articles AT MOST on Sri Lanka. A similar test on the "Gaza" Google results turns up considerably more about Israel; I gave up after 20 pages of results... In other words: <B>FAIL.</B> “Erm… there are 12,000 results for Tamil on socialist worker”

Yeah, but there’s only 8000 hits for “socialism” on the Socialist Worker website.

Something is wrong with Google, their archives, or the focus of their site has changed a bit!

Actually – it has to do with the way their news is aggregated. They have 29000 pages roughly (from Googling “the” == same number of results as “socialism”). Google’s robots will hunt their archives regularly, meaning all current headlines (e.g. “massive Tamil demonstration in London”) will crop up up on many of those pages as hits. That 12000 of these 29000 webpages would be coverage of Sri Lanka and/or Tamils ought to have set alarm bells ringing…

Actually looking at the Google results (rather than doubleposting some “wah wah wah!” cheap point-scoring shite) would have confirmed this.

By page 2, “tamil” is turning up in articles entitled:

“Limits to mortgage help: ticking timebomb”, “Thursday morning at Visteon occupations” and “Slavoj Zizek’s Ideas need to link with reality”.

Are these all articles about Sri Lanka and/or Tamils?

Christ.

The Socialist Worker then has roughly 10 articles AT MOST on Sri Lanka. A similar test on the “Gaza” Google results turns up considerably more about Israel; I gave up after 20 pages of results…

In other words:

FAIL.

]]> By: FC http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-335034 FC Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:22:36 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-335034 Erm... there are 12,000 results for Tamil on socialist worker and 3000 for Gaza. This does not prove your point whatsoever. There's actually a lot about Sri Lanka in the paper. Erm… there are 12,000 results for Tamil on socialist worker and 3000 for Gaza.
This does not prove your point whatsoever. There’s actually a lot about Sri Lanka in the paper.

]]> By: FC http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-335035 FC Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:22:30 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-335035 Erm... there are 12,000 results for Tamil on socialist worker and 3000 for Gaza. This does not prove your point whatsoever. There's actually a lot about Sri Lanka in the paper. Erm… there are 12,000 results for Tamil on socialist worker and 3000 for Gaza.
This does not prove your point whatsoever. There’s actually a lot about Sri Lanka in the paper.

]]> By: vinnie http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-322501 vinnie Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:18:04 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-322501 Both these feuds triggered by the british goverment.. america has a high population of jews , with extremely well paid jobs and and are in top positions to have an affect on parlimentary decisions.. muslims could be jealous that the jews are more smarter and educated.. just like in sri lanka where they standardised the grades which a tamil had to get and a sinhlese, as the sinhala majority felt dominated by the tamil miniority as they tended to be smarter so the uped the grades u had to get to go uni for tamils.. this is the starting.. however i would not agree that l.t.t.e where terrorist... they formed as a reslut of the opression of tamils.. more and more tamils are supporting the L.T.T.E in canada there was a protest of 200,000 many holding the ltte flag showing support .. however the tamils n sinhala ppl get n fine just the tamils n da sri lankan goverment whereas jews n muslims h8 each other how can they resolve their problem.. Both these feuds triggered by the british goverment.. america has a high population of jews , with extremely well paid jobs and and are in top positions to have an affect on parlimentary decisions.. muslims could be jealous that the jews are more smarter and educated.. just like in sri lanka where they standardised the grades which a tamil had to get and a sinhlese, as the sinhala majority felt dominated by the tamil miniority as they tended to be smarter so the uped the grades u had to get to go uni for tamils.. this is the starting.. however i would not agree that l.t.t.e where terrorist… they formed as a reslut of the opression of tamils.. more and more tamils are supporting the L.T.T.E in canada there was a protest of 200,000 many holding the ltte flag showing support .. however the tamils n sinhala ppl get n fine just the tamils n da sri lankan goverment whereas jews n muslims h8 each other how can they resolve their problem..

]]> By: comstock http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-300577 comstock Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:22:45 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-300577 He called himself the Tamil Tiger when they used so called daring tatics bi-planes, speedboats etc not to mention suicide. Now he is on the run, and he is being hunted, slightly tongue in cheek, but with no sympathy why not let the Sri Lankans hunt him down like they used to do with real tigers? Real tigers do not need insulin and do not naturally occur in Sri Lanka! He called himself the Tamil Tiger when they used so called daring tatics bi-planes, speedboats etc not to mention suicide. Now he is on the run, and he is being hunted, slightly tongue in cheek, but with no sympathy why not let the Sri Lankans hunt him down like they used to do with real tigers? Real tigers do not need insulin and do not naturally occur in Sri Lanka!

]]> By: Peter Fernando http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-298831 Peter Fernando Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:25:22 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-298831 Only some suicide bombs could be said to be backed by tigers but the government can and have used that an excuse to commit genocide Only some suicide bombs could be said to be backed by tigers but the government can and have used that an excuse to commit genocide

]]> By: elan http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-298249 elan Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:47:48 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-298249 Alec with your limited knowledge you wouldnt know if it is the truth. You should try to understand this in more depth to get to the truth. The SL government is welcomed by the western countries purely for the arms supply. Any news you get from SL is controlled by the government. If you dig deeper you will discover that if you say anything anti war or anti government they will disappear. Even if you speak to a Tamil there they would be anti LTTE due to the fear of being killed, where as if you speak to the tamil refugees who have escaped they will tell you what really happens in Sri Lanka. Many journalist has been killed. You should read this artcle by a Sinhalese journalist! http://www.alertnet.org/db/blogs/36072/2009/00/15-121804-1.htm The Hasbara Buster, the reason why dont see tamil terror is because most of the dead are the tamils by the sinhalese army. When did the tamils kill sinhalese civillains? Where as the indiscrminate killing by the army does not make the headlines like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/air-strike-on-sri-lankan-orphanage-kills-61-schoolgirls-411901.html Alec with your limited knowledge you wouldnt know if it is the truth. You should try to understand this in more depth to get to the truth.

The SL government is welcomed by the western countries purely for the arms supply. Any news you get from SL is controlled by the government. If you dig deeper you will discover that if you say anything anti war or anti government they will disappear. Even if you speak to a Tamil there they would be anti LTTE due to the fear of being killed, where as if you speak to the tamil refugees who have escaped they will tell you what really happens in Sri Lanka. Many journalist has been killed. You should read this artcle by a Sinhalese journalist! http://www.alertnet.org/db/blogs/36072/2009/00/15-121804-1.htm

The Hasbara Buster, the reason why dont see tamil terror is because most of the dead are the tamils by the sinhalese army. When did the tamils kill sinhalese civillains? Where as the indiscrminate killing by the army does not make the headlines like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/air-strike-on-sri-lankan-orphanage-kills-61-schoolgirls-411901.html

]]> By: Benjamin http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-298170 Benjamin Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:12:48 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-298170 Tim, I was just cycling through the options. It is still a demographic problem in Greater Israel if the Arabs are given equal rights: they suddenly become the majority, or close to. That's the nub. Israel, because it defines itself a Jewish state, cannot simply give everyone equal rights in Greater Israel. Hence, to expand, it must involve at least some ethnic cleansing, or some sort of apartheid, keep the Arab population down or not counted fully. Promoting Jewish immigration won't solve this issue. I say behind closed doors because of the bind Israel is in. Pushing for expansion, which it did explicitly in the 1970s and 1980s, inevitably leads to the pressures I describe (the Labour Party at one point advocated expansion and giving the remaining land to Jordan). Its not going to discuss the demographic problem too openly because of the uncomfortable conclusions they must inevitably draw. The status quo is simply an apartheid-style situation in the occupied territories, with or without the PA. Tim,

I was just cycling through the options. It is still a demographic problem in Greater Israel if the Arabs are given equal rights: they suddenly become the majority, or close to. That’s the nub. Israel, because it defines itself a Jewish state, cannot simply give everyone equal rights in Greater Israel. Hence, to expand, it must involve at least some ethnic cleansing, or some sort of apartheid, keep the Arab population down or not counted fully.

Promoting Jewish immigration won’t solve this issue. I say behind closed doors because of the bind Israel is in. Pushing for expansion, which it did explicitly in the 1970s and 1980s, inevitably leads to the pressures I describe (the Labour Party at one point advocated expansion and giving the remaining land to Jordan). Its not going to discuss the demographic problem too openly because of the uncomfortable conclusions they must inevitably draw.

The status quo is simply an apartheid-style situation in the occupied territories, with or without the PA.

]]> By: Tim Allon http://hurryupharry.org/2009/02/02/sri-lanka-israel/comment-page-3/#comment-298077 Tim Allon Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:00:12 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=12453#comment-298077 You seem confused, Benjamin. If we include the territories, it is no longer a demographic problem, but one of granting a Palestinian majority equal rights in Greater Israel. But I thought we were both in favour of a two-state solution. The State of Israel's story is all about solving a demographic problem. I expect Israel will follow the path it has always taken on this issue: promoting Jewish immigration. This is no great secret, and not something that is discussed only 'behind closed doors'. My point is a simple one: you are wont to insinuate conspiracies where Israel is concerned. Who is discussing this demographic problem 'behind closed doors'? What have they decided? You seem confused, Benjamin. If we include the territories, it is no longer a demographic problem, but one of granting a Palestinian majority equal rights in Greater Israel. But I thought we were both in favour of a two-state solution.

The State of Israel’s story is all about solving a demographic problem. I expect Israel will follow the path it has always taken on this issue: promoting Jewish immigration. This is no great secret, and not something that is discussed only ‘behind closed doors’.

My point is a simple one: you are wont to insinuate conspiracies where Israel is concerned. Who is discussing this demographic problem ‘behind closed doors’? What have they decided?

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