Take a look at the MPAC forum sometime and watch the short-trousered, henna-bearded “bruvvers” get themselves into a typically inarticulate, illiterate tizz whenever some liberal or otherwise progressive Muslim dares challenge the brain-dead dogmas of the keyboard jihadi.

Lately, the funniest example was when “der bruvvers” were challenged to explain why they hated the Quilliam Foundation so… answer there was none. They “just did”.

Cretins.

You would be disappointed to know that there are more of my kind out there, to give you a taster… look at the wise words of his eminence Rabbi Yosef Rozen of Dvinsk, known as The Rogatchover, who wrote in his famous letter;
“Heaven forbid that we should test God and strive with him concerning the length of the Exile in order to be masters in the Holy Land.
To those who share these Zionist views but profess to be believers, whose lips drip with Torah and piety, I have this to say: Do you not know that Zionism and self-rule are VANITY AND PURSUIT OF EMPTINESS AND IMITATION? Why do you despise the Torah and stretch out your hand to transgressors tainted with HERESY, and why do you not consider in whose company you go?”

visit: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Wake up to the real world!
JEWS SAY: FREE PALESTINE, NO to ZIONISM

hmmmm except for all those hundreds of little jihads you boys like so much. Guess who was the target of those. From the C7th to the C20th Jihad meant killing the Jews. On occasion it was a rationale for the enslaving of black Africans and white Europeans too. I bet your new pals never mentioned that ‘respectful’ slave-trade.

Nevermind Obama too seems not to have heard of the centuries of gelding of black men and raping black women that were justified by a distortion of the biblical Ham narrative by Arab intellectuals.

You also seem blissfully unaware that in the last sixty years Jews have been ethnically cleansed from Muslim lands. A bit of blow-back there that has led to them becoming heavily armed and not to impressed by arrogant Muslim condescension. They wont wait around while Muslims get ready for Holocaust 2.

BTW you dont seem to know what the Holocaust actually means. Deportation meant death, or slave labour if you were lucky, and not being hered into and then confined to camps created by your own people and living off billions in handouts from the West and UN which then sustains a population explosion. You might want to crack a history book before making mendacious comparisons.

The Palestinians have only had a very light introduction to the Jewish experience of the last two thousand years under their largesse.

“The MCB the most useless of all Mosque umbrella groups as usual spouted off about Israel not once condemning their stupid 400 or so mosques for sitting on their backside while Israel dominated political circles while their mosques told the Muslims ‘no politics in the mosque’.”

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/5294/102/#jreactions

The task of identifying true moderates cannot be done through guesswork and intuition; for proof, note the American government’s persistent record of supporting Islamists by providing them with legitimacy, education, and (perhaps even) money. I too have made my share of mistakes. What’s needed is serious, sustained research.

I have played in my thoughts with the ‘moderate’ adjective when describing Muslims.

What does it mean???

In some measurable answer.

“I suspect that the MCB committee is torn between those who see HMD as a day of solemn reflection on the tragic failure of Hitler to exterminate all the world’s Jews, and those who would like to sing, dance, and hand out sweet pastries to celebrate their joy at the partial success of the endeavour.”

LOL. Sweet pastries are very important.

To be fair, full-on Middle Eastern denial works on three levels:

1. It didn’t happen. It is a Zionist conspiracy to take control of the world through guilt.

2. It happened, but the Zionists were to blame. The Jews did it to themselves as part of the Zionist conspiracy to …. zzzzzzzzzz

3. It didn’t happen, but we wish it did.

The tricky thing is to believe all three levels at once.

As well as sweet pastries, the historical perception of Amin Husseini, the leader of the Palestinian cause from the ’20s to the ’60s, is also very important.

While many commenters on this site will remember him for his avuncular table talk with Hitler during the war, for his major war crimes in Bosnia and for his constant poisoning throughout his life of the possibility of Muslim-Jewish dialogue and understanding, I would guess that the MCB, and Hamas, and Fatah, remember him as a great Muslim hero who wouldn’t bow to imperialism.

And one or two lefties too. I remember a far left guy at University who was convinced that he was a kind of Palestinian Che Guevara (doh, that’s Arafat, surely) and kept a large picture of him on his door.

I guess that he’d have been shyer about putting up a poster of Goering, but who knows?

Personally, I’m so fed up with the self-appointed MCB that I struggle to see it as a shame that they’re boycotting HMD.

Porat, an international authority on anti-Semitism and head of Tel Aviv University’s research body on this phenomenon, added that Operation Cast Lead has “left no doubt” that Muslims in Europe had, “prepared in advance a public campaign against Jews and Israel, which they see as one and the same.”

“[Muslims] were waiting for a signal or a pretext to launch this campaign and the Nazism comparison,” she said.

This tactic, she elaborated, proved most effective when Europeans from the left wing “worked in unison” with Muslims.

“Europeans are burdened by the Holocaust, and accusing the victims of being like the Nazis helps distribute some of the burden and guilt,” Porat told the 500 people who came to the event, at the Inbal Hotel.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1059089.html

You make a fine beginning. Why don’t you tell us in your own words what it was about the Holocaust that made it so devastating? So we can see what you understand of it.

As a devout Muslim, perhaps you can also give us your thoughts on how it might have felt, throughout Islamic history, to a non-Muslim such as me to live in theocratic societies where ultimate authority was by definition out of my grasp. Where the upper reaches of government (and sometimes the lower reaches too, depending on the mood of the day) were closed to me. Where the treatment I could expect solely by virtue of being a Jew rested, without recourse, on the whim of my Muslim betters. Would I have found that hunky dory, do you suppose? If present day Muslims in the countries of the west, with nominal equality under the law and freedom of religion, speech and thought, feel alienated and discriminated against, how might I have felt under the Caliphate?

Finally, perhaps you could point to some instances of Israel, or just plain Jews, using the Holocaust to justify acts of murder.