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	<title>Comments on: LSE Student Occupation Ends In Historic Victory</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Ann On</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/26/lse-student-occupation-ends-in-historic-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-293898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why you will never get a job running a University, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why you will never get a job running a University, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Humpty Dumpty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humpty Dumpty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why the occupation of university lecture halls should be tolerated any more than the occupation of a place of work, a private residence or any other piece of private property.  The students should have been given about 10 minutes to leave or face being dragged out by the police and being expelled from the university.  You should never give in to these people, it will only encourage them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why the occupation of university lecture halls should be tolerated any more than the occupation of a place of work, a private residence or any other piece of private property.  The students should have been given about 10 minutes to leave or face being dragged out by the police and being expelled from the university.  You should never give in to these people, it will only encourage them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/26/lse-student-occupation-ends-in-historic-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-293625</link>
		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Rosenberg instead of lecturing Israel (a country you hate and want to see dismanteled) about what &quot;gambles&quot; they ought to have taken from your house in the UK, why don&#039;t you put your life where your mouth is and share the land in Gaza with your allies in Hamas and Islamic Jihad and their &quot;legitimate aspirations&quot; to prove your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rosenberg instead of lecturing Israel (a country you hate and want to see dismanteled) about what &#8220;gambles&#8221; they ought to have taken from your house in the UK, why don&#8217;t you put your life where your mouth is and share the land in Gaza with your allies in Hamas and Islamic Jihad and their &#8220;legitimate aspirations&#8221; to prove your point?</p>
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		<title>By: David Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/26/lse-student-occupation-ends-in-historic-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-293612</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabian - sorry I didn&#039;t answer your question. I suppose it depends which period of nurturing we are talking about. I have referred to the early years when it was developing its social base and its rhetoric but not translating that into fatal attacks. But other correspondents here have pointe dot alter period of nurturing  (Of Sheikh Yassin by Netenyahu) when it was clearly a more dangerous outfit. 

The point I was trying to make is that the Israeli people have paid a heavy price  for a political gamble that was all about avoiding coming to terms with the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinians to share the land and to have their self-determination. We can&#039;t turn the clock back and have to make the best of the present but I suspect that in the future Israeli historians won&#039;t look that kindly on this gamble and its consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabian &#8211; sorry I didn&#8217;t answer your question. I suppose it depends which period of nurturing we are talking about. I have referred to the early years when it was developing its social base and its rhetoric but not translating that into fatal attacks. But other correspondents here have pointe dot alter period of nurturing  (Of Sheikh Yassin by Netenyahu) when it was clearly a more dangerous outfit. </p>
<p>The point I was trying to make is that the Israeli people have paid a heavy price  for a political gamble that was all about avoiding coming to terms with the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinians to share the land and to have their self-determination. We can&#8217;t turn the clock back and have to make the best of the present but I suspect that in the future Israeli historians won&#8217;t look that kindly on this gamble and its consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just don&#039;t seem to grasp the dynamic here. the reason Howard Davies has &quot;capitulated&quot; to the demands is because he doesn&#039;t think the demands are onerous, and may even think they are a good thing in themselves. A very polite sit in has led to a reasonable response. Otherwise your in the position of saying &quot;stand firm and make sure not to offer LSE scholarships to Palestinians ! Resist mob rule and do not donate any old books to Palestinian universities! Stop the fee waivers for Gaza students ! Invest in arms firms now&quot; which I suppose is what you are saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just don&#8217;t seem to grasp the dynamic here. the reason Howard Davies has &#8220;capitulated&#8221; to the demands is because he doesn&#8217;t think the demands are onerous, and may even think they are a good thing in themselves. A very polite sit in has led to a reasonable response. Otherwise your in the position of saying &#8220;stand firm and make sure not to offer LSE scholarships to Palestinians ! Resist mob rule and do not donate any old books to Palestinian universities! Stop the fee waivers for Gaza students ! Invest in arms firms now&#8221; which I suppose is what you are saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Short order cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short order cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,

I&#039;m not cheering these guys, I&#039;m just making the point that these kind of actions are compatible with a liberal society. There are other aspects to a free society than rule of the majority. Sometimes the belief of the majority, the expression of their will through their elected representatives or simply the will of their elected representatives may not be compatible with or properly reflect these aspects.

There are many occasions where this has happened through history and protest and direct action have been necessary. I suspect you may be seeing more of it over the next couple of years, though possibly regarding more important matters like the collapse of the economy and mass unemployment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not cheering these guys, I&#8217;m just making the point that these kind of actions are compatible with a liberal society. There are other aspects to a free society than rule of the majority. Sometimes the belief of the majority, the expression of their will through their elected representatives or simply the will of their elected representatives may not be compatible with or properly reflect these aspects.</p>
<p>There are many occasions where this has happened through history and protest and direct action have been necessary. I suspect you may be seeing more of it over the next couple of years, though possibly regarding more important matters like the collapse of the economy and mass unemployment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Franco</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/26/lse-student-occupation-ends-in-historic-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-293288</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>short order cook:

as far as I know in Britain people are free to protest without having to resort to atitudes like this one, which in fact is a challenge to the legitimate power. 

in normal free societies it doesn&#039;t make sense to engage in such atitudes. these are extreme measures that protesters use when the normal channels for the expression of their legitimate demands are non-existent.

so attitudes like this actually mean that the legitimacy of your democracy is being denied by the protesters and apparently people like you cheer it.

if those people actually cared for democracy and/or had the knowledge that allowed them to understand what it is to live under non-democratic regimes they wouldn&#039;t be so irresponsible. 

I&#039;m not going to waste my time speaking about what the expressions rule by consent and rule by law mean...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>short order cook:</p>
<p>as far as I know in Britain people are free to protest without having to resort to atitudes like this one, which in fact is a challenge to the legitimate power. </p>
<p>in normal free societies it doesn&#8217;t make sense to engage in such atitudes. these are extreme measures that protesters use when the normal channels for the expression of their legitimate demands are non-existent.</p>
<p>so attitudes like this actually mean that the legitimacy of your democracy is being denied by the protesters and apparently people like you cheer it.</p>
<p>if those people actually cared for democracy and/or had the knowledge that allowed them to understand what it is to live under non-democratic regimes they wouldn&#8217;t be so irresponsible. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to waste my time speaking about what the expressions rule by consent and rule by law mean&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tabatha</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/26/lse-student-occupation-ends-in-historic-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-293236</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabatha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few weeks ago, Douglas Murray appeared on BBC1s &#039;The Big Questions&#039; where he proved an articulate defender of Israel&#039;s right to defend herself. I imagine that didn&#039;t endear him to the LSE mob...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago, Douglas Murray appeared on BBC1s &#8216;The Big Questions&#8217; where he proved an articulate defender of Israel&#8217;s right to defend herself. I imagine that didn&#8217;t endear him to the LSE mob&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/26/lse-student-occupation-ends-in-historic-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-293219</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the first commenter puts it -

&quot;LSE authorities seem to have a clear case of pre-emptive Stockholm syndrome.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the first commenter puts it -</p>
<p>&#8220;LSE authorities seem to have a clear case of pre-emptive Stockholm syndrome.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tabatha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tabatha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks MARK T for that great link.

Oliver Kamm says it perfectly:

&quot;The LSE&#039;s conduct is cowardly and unconscionable. A university is a place for the untrammelled discussion of ideas. The LSE has curtailed the ability of one invited guest to contribute to a discussion - as chairman of a debate and not even as a speaker - because of a presumed threat of violence arising from the offence he might thereby cause. I&#039;ve seen the LSE&#039;s internal correspondence on this. It refers to complaints made about Douglas&#039;s views on Islam. It seems that Douglas has been disinvited because of the effect on the sensibilities of students - or on &quot;campus relations&quot;, as one particularly arch piece of misdirection has it - at a time of Middle East conflict.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MARK T for that great link.</p>
<p>Oliver Kamm says it perfectly:</p>
<p>&#8220;The LSE&#8217;s conduct is cowardly and unconscionable. A university is a place for the untrammelled discussion of ideas. The LSE has curtailed the ability of one invited guest to contribute to a discussion &#8211; as chairman of a debate and not even as a speaker &#8211; because of a presumed threat of violence arising from the offence he might thereby cause. I&#8217;ve seen the LSE&#8217;s internal correspondence on this. It refers to complaints made about Douglas&#8217;s views on Islam. It seems that Douglas has been disinvited because of the effect on the sensibilities of students &#8211; or on &#8220;campus relations&#8221;, as one particularly arch piece of misdirection has it &#8211; at a time of Middle East conflict.&#8221;</p>
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