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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Ji</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/17/victory-to-the-resistance/comment-page-2/#comment-287376</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larkers      @   18 January 2009, 12:32 pm 

The &quot;Mail&quot; article is a rehash of the same old nonsense that the Christian People&#039;s Alliance, Lawyers Christian Fellowship and Christian Voice have been putting about since June 2006. Michael Gove MP took it up once, and promptly dropped it; Pauline Neville-Jones ought to know better. 

Islamist fringe elements attend mosques. Wow! Trostkyites sell papers outside Trade Union meetings and Bears shit in the woods. That does not mean that trade unions are trotskyite organisations, nor that the woods are full of Bear shit.

The picture is of model covering the whole site, whose effective function is to provide ammunition for opponents.  It was made by Architects who used to work for the site owners, but don&#039;t any more. 

A planning application in 2001, for a mosque less than a third the size ofthe model, was refused for perfectly good Town Planning reasons of inadequate vehicular and pedestrian access to the site. The site owners have yet to solve those problems and have not submitted another planning application for new building. 

If they ever do, they&#039;ll be entitled to have it considered fair and square. So would you and I if we submitted identical plannning applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larkers      @   18 January 2009, 12:32 pm </p>
<p>The &#8220;Mail&#8221; article is a rehash of the same old nonsense that the Christian People&#8217;s Alliance, Lawyers Christian Fellowship and Christian Voice have been putting about since June 2006. Michael Gove MP took it up once, and promptly dropped it; Pauline Neville-Jones ought to know better. </p>
<p>Islamist fringe elements attend mosques. Wow! Trostkyites sell papers outside Trade Union meetings and Bears shit in the woods. That does not mean that trade unions are trotskyite organisations, nor that the woods are full of Bear shit.</p>
<p>The picture is of model covering the whole site, whose effective function is to provide ammunition for opponents.  It was made by Architects who used to work for the site owners, but don&#8217;t any more. </p>
<p>A planning application in 2001, for a mosque less than a third the size ofthe model, was refused for perfectly good Town Planning reasons of inadequate vehicular and pedestrian access to the site. The site owners have yet to solve those problems and have not submitted another planning application for new building. </p>
<p>If they ever do, they&#8217;ll be entitled to have it considered fair and square. So would you and I if we submitted identical plannning applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Alderson Warm-Fork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alderson Warm-Fork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Allied forces are targeting the Taliban&quot;
Who they are (supposedly) targetting is less important than who they are killing, which is what I mentioned. They are killing lots of non-Taliban Afghans as &quot;collateral damage&quot;. This may or not may not be related to those US soldiers who are either mentally disturbed (as many people in a war like this will be) or racist (far-right groups encourage their members to join the army). It is related to the fact that they do not have widespread popular support, and so find themselves using air strikes on remote villages. The reason they do not have the widespread support that might allow them to fight in a less indiscriminate way is that they are an imperial occupation. 

&quot;And this is relevant to women’s educatonal opportunities in what way?&quot;
The OP was clearly using the story of these courageous women as a stick to beat anti-imperialists with. The relevance is that the occupation forces, being so widely disliked, are in bad position to help or support women going to school because doing so will encourage people to associate Western feminism with Western bombings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Allied forces are targeting the Taliban&#8221;<br />
Who they are (supposedly) targetting is less important than who they are killing, which is what I mentioned. They are killing lots of non-Taliban Afghans as &#8220;collateral damage&#8221;. This may or not may not be related to those US soldiers who are either mentally disturbed (as many people in a war like this will be) or racist (far-right groups encourage their members to join the army). It is related to the fact that they do not have widespread popular support, and so find themselves using air strikes on remote villages. The reason they do not have the widespread support that might allow them to fight in a less indiscriminate way is that they are an imperial occupation. </p>
<p>&#8220;And this is relevant to women’s educatonal opportunities in what way?&#8221;<br />
The OP was clearly using the story of these courageous women as a stick to beat anti-imperialists with. The relevance is that the occupation forces, being so widely disliked, are in bad position to help or support women going to school because doing so will encourage people to associate Western feminism with Western bombings.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/17/victory-to-the-resistance/comment-page-2/#comment-287175</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is me, apparently not you, ... &quot; Alan Ji.

There is nothing apparent about it, unless apparent has changed its meaning.

You might like to get the news organisations straight about this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1053877/Revealed-Muslim-bomb-plot-gangs-links-mega-mosque-east-London.html

The article is on another issue but there does seem to be a plan and it does, apparently, appear to be connected with building a Mosque.

But what has this got to do with extending equal educational opportunities to Moslem women? Either you do or do not wish it. Hardly a complicated idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is me, apparently not you, &#8230; &#8221; Alan Ji.</p>
<p>There is nothing apparent about it, unless apparent has changed its meaning.</p>
<p>You might like to get the news organisations straight about this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1053877/Revealed-Muslim-bomb-plot-gangs-links-mega-mosque-east-London.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1053877/Revealed-Muslim-bomb-plot-gangs-links-mega-mosque-east-London.html</a></p>
<p>The article is on another issue but there does seem to be a plan and it does, apparently, appear to be connected with building a Mosque.</p>
<p>But what has this got to do with extending equal educational opportunities to Moslem women? Either you do or do not wish it. Hardly a complicated idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Ji</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/17/victory-to-the-resistance/comment-page-2/#comment-287074</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larkers      @   18 January 2009, 4:42 am 

There is a site in Beckton, next to Kingsford School, that once had two planning permissions for Mosques. Not much money raised and no Mosque. It is me, apparently not you, that takes every opportunity to refute the myth that there is a mega-mosque planned at West Ham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larkers      @   18 January 2009, 4:42 am </p>
<p>There is a site in Beckton, next to Kingsford School, that once had two planning permissions for Mosques. Not much money raised and no Mosque. It is me, apparently not you, that takes every opportunity to refute the myth that there is a mega-mosque planned at West Ham.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/17/victory-to-the-resistance/comment-page-2/#comment-287002</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My educat-i-onal opportunites need revision. (I am up because of my noisy student neighbours. Going back to bed  – and leaving this thread now. Good night, [yawn!])</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My educat-i-onal opportunites need revision. (I am up because of my noisy student neighbours. Going back to bed  – and leaving this thread now. Good night, [yawn!])</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You quote Germany and Japan at me. I would reply, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Congo, Korea, Palestine, Guatemala, Iran, El Salvador, Chile, Rwanda-Burundi, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia…there are more. Not all of those are direct examples of US imperialism, or even imperialism by US allies. They are cases where attempts by one country (or rival countries) to determine the affairs of another have produced or encouraged internal or external conflict, with a vast cost in lives. Congo’s war is the bloodiest conflict since WWII, and UN reports have judged it to be maintained and inflamed by MNCs and their desire for minerals, acting through a host of local proxies. That’s not mentioning the damage done by Belgian imperialism, and the by the Cold War power-struggle post-independence.&quot; – Alderson Warm-Fork.

And this is relevant to women&#039;s educatonal opportunities in what way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You quote Germany and Japan at me. I would reply, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Congo, Korea, Palestine, Guatemala, Iran, El Salvador, Chile, Rwanda-Burundi, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia…there are more. Not all of those are direct examples of US imperialism, or even imperialism by US allies. They are cases where attempts by one country (or rival countries) to determine the affairs of another have produced or encouraged internal or external conflict, with a vast cost in lives. Congo’s war is the bloodiest conflict since WWII, and UN reports have judged it to be maintained and inflamed by MNCs and their desire for minerals, acting through a host of local proxies. That’s not mentioning the damage done by Belgian imperialism, and the by the Cold War power-struggle post-independence.&#8221; – Alderson Warm-Fork.</p>
<p>And this is relevant to women&#8217;s educatonal opportunities in what way?</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Larkers @ 17 January 2009, 11:24 am
I take every opportunity to refute the myth that there is a “planned Grand Mosque at Beckton in east London will have “school for boys” but makes no mention of a similiar facility for females. I think we need to express our solidarity for the education of Moslem women” .– Alan Ji.

Please do not misquote me.

I did not write &quot;I take every opportunity to refute the myth that there is a ...&quot; At least be more careful how you contextualise a quotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Larkers @ 17 January 2009, 11:24 am<br />
I take every opportunity to refute the myth that there is a “planned Grand Mosque at Beckton in east London will have “school for boys” but makes no mention of a similiar facility for females. I think we need to express our solidarity for the education of Moslem women” .– Alan Ji.</p>
<p>Please do not misquote me.</p>
<p>I did not write &#8220;I take every opportunity to refute the myth that there is a &#8230;&#8221; At least be more careful how you contextualise a quotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/17/victory-to-the-resistance/comment-page-2/#comment-286995</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Larkers, were they from the Indian side or the Pakistani? How long ago was this? (I’m Kashmiri…)&quot; – Waseem.

Pakistani controlled Kashmir. His home region was subject to Indian Army shell fire on one return visit.

It was at this kindly man&#039;s home that I ran into my first Islamist. I was subjected to a smiling interrogation about the failures of western civilisation for twenty or twenty five minutes, much to my friends embarrassment – hospitality had been violated I suppose. 

All this happened long ago. I do not wish to identify anyone so you will have to trust me. I could give dates and so on but the thread is about extending education opportunities to Moslem women. Why is that an issue for men, do we think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Larkers, were they from the Indian side or the Pakistani? How long ago was this? (I’m Kashmiri…)&#8221; – Waseem.</p>
<p>Pakistani controlled Kashmir. His home region was subject to Indian Army shell fire on one return visit.</p>
<p>It was at this kindly man&#8217;s home that I ran into my first Islamist. I was subjected to a smiling interrogation about the failures of western civilisation for twenty or twenty five minutes, much to my friends embarrassment – hospitality had been violated I suppose. </p>
<p>All this happened long ago. I do not wish to identify anyone so you will have to trust me. I could give dates and so on but the thread is about extending education opportunities to Moslem women. Why is that an issue for men, do we think?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good news - according to the Mail on Sunday &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1120831/Muslim-civil-servant-suspended-killing-British-troops-justified-blog.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Azad Ali has been suspended&lt;/A&gt; from his Civil Service post, and is facing  dismissal, over comments made on his personal blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good news &#8211; according to the Mail on Sunday <a HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1120831/Muslim-civil-servant-suspended-killing-British-troops-justified-blog.html" rel="nofollow">Azad Ali has been suspended</a> from his Civil Service post, and is facing  dismissal, over comments made on his personal blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do they find themselves constantly killing the people they’re supposedly liberating?&quot;

Don&#039;t talk shit.

The Allied forces are targeting the Taliban - who are not the people who are being liberated. They are the oppressors, who have been overthrown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do they find themselves constantly killing the people they’re supposedly liberating?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t talk shit.</p>
<p>The Allied forces are targeting the Taliban &#8211; who are not the people who are being liberated. They are the oppressors, who have been overthrown.</p>
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