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	<title>Comments on: Sir Jeremy Greenstock Bigs Up Fluffy Hamas</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Charles Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own take on the observations of my former FCO colleague Sir J Greenstock is here: http://charlescrawford.biz/blog.php?single=740 

Had we all not got bogged down in the Balkans in the 1990s and instead identified a sort of permanent Helsinki-style Confidence Building Process for the Middle East (as helped end the Cold War), the Israel/Palestine issue could have been tackled in a context of wider mutually-reinforcing progress across the region. No good options now.

Too many countries and movements in that part of the world have ideological roots deep in National Socialism, and some supposedly pragmatic &#039;FCO Arabists&#039; down the years might have paid that aspect rather more attention..?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own take on the observations of my former FCO colleague Sir J Greenstock is here: <a href="http://charlescrawford.biz/blog.php?single=740" rel="nofollow">http://charlescrawford.biz/blog.php?single=740</a> </p>
<p>Had we all not got bogged down in the Balkans in the 1990s and instead identified a sort of permanent Helsinki-style Confidence Building Process for the Middle East (as helped end the Cold War), the Israel/Palestine issue could have been tackled in a context of wider mutually-reinforcing progress across the region. No good options now.</p>
<p>Too many countries and movements in that part of the world have ideological roots deep in National Socialism, and some supposedly pragmatic &#8216;FCO Arabists&#8217; down the years might have paid that aspect rather more attention..?</p>
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		<title>By: Comstock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Field
If Hamas and Fatah were to desist from pursuing the destruction of Israel it is clear that international pressure would 

&quot;Oh Lord, please protect us from the fury of the Norseman&quot;, as we once prayed on Lindisfarne. The above shows our politicians during  our finest fifteen minutes. We respectively, beg you desist from hurting our babies. If an area of the Hindu Kush even thinks about harbouring terrorists who wish  the area arrest the leaders and so on this is if they only think about not actually protect people like  Bin Laden.</description>
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If Hamas and Fatah were to desist from pursuing the destruction of Israel it is clear that international pressure would </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh Lord, please protect us from the fury of the Norseman&#8221;, as we once prayed on Lindisfarne. The above shows our politicians during  our finest fifteen minutes. We respectively, beg you desist from hurting our babies. If an area of the Hindu Kush even thinks about harbouring terrorists who wish  the area arrest the leaders and so on this is if they only think about not actually protect people like  Bin Laden.</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the Greenstock interview this morning as well, and I agree with you completely. It&#039;s a real shame that there rarely (if ever) seems to be an interviewer capable or competent enough to push back.

Alastair</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the Greenstock interview this morning as well, and I agree with you completely. It&#8217;s a real shame that there rarely (if ever) seems to be an interviewer capable or competent enough to push back.</p>
<p>Alastair</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Sir Jeremy!!!

It is finally nice to see somebody in the establishment that is actually capable of comprehending the blatantly obvious and speaking up for waht is right!!!

I have a story to tell and would love to try and contact the guy if anybody can oblige!!!

Just search my name if you wanna know!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Sir Jeremy!!!</p>
<p>It is finally nice to see somebody in the establishment that is actually capable of comprehending the blatantly obvious and speaking up for waht is right!!!</p>
<p>I have a story to tell and would love to try and contact the guy if anybody can oblige!!!</p>
<p>Just search my name if you wanna know!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I doubt very much indeed that Jeremy Greenstock is a stupid man&lt;/i&gt;

Why? Because he went to Oriel College? Because he is a Sir? Because he was a senior civil servant?
None of these things stop someone from being as thick as two short planks as far as worldly wisdom is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I doubt very much indeed that Jeremy Greenstock is a stupid man</i></p>
<p>Why? Because he went to Oriel College? Because he is a Sir? Because he was a senior civil servant?<br />
None of these things stop someone from being as thick as two short planks as far as worldly wisdom is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Benjoid has no idea how these things work at all.

Back channels, old boy like those you constantly issue your shite from. 

And that&#039;s what Halevy was talking about you sorry excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Benjoid has no idea how these things work at all.</p>
<p>Back channels, old boy like those you constantly issue your shite from. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what Halevy was talking about you sorry excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamas is part of a larger Islamist project, as has been pointed out here many times. The message still seems very clear, all the way from Tehran: Death to Israel. If peace is to be made it can be only with Fatah. I believe Syria could be brought around a bit by concessions on disputed territory.

And Iran will have to be kept busy minding its own security. The current regime seems to be overreacting brutally to any raised voice, -- precisely what happened in the latter days of apartheid SA, and we know how that turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamas is part of a larger Islamist project, as has been pointed out here many times. The message still seems very clear, all the way from Tehran: Death to Israel. If peace is to be made it can be only with Fatah. I believe Syria could be brought around a bit by concessions on disputed territory.</p>
<p>And Iran will have to be kept busy minding its own security. The current regime seems to be overreacting brutally to any raised voice, &#8212; precisely what happened in the latter days of apartheid SA, and we know how that turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Greenstock seems to be right at the centre of the British establishment. Plus he has years of service in various UK embassies in Arab lands. Almost a clone of Sir Crispin Tickell, another impeccable FO grandee and former UK UN ambassador who took up lobbying against Israel.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, like so many ex-politicians, ex-lobbyists and ex-diplomats who&#039;ve regularly dealt with Arab states, he&#039;s living out his &#039;retirement&#039; on the Arabo/petrol payroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Greenstock seems to be right at the centre of the British establishment. Plus he has years of service in various UK embassies in Arab lands. Almost a clone of Sir Crispin Tickell, another impeccable FO grandee and former UK UN ambassador who took up lobbying against Israel.</i></p>
<p>Well, like so many ex-politicians, ex-lobbyists and ex-diplomats who&#8217;ve regularly dealt with Arab states, he&#8217;s living out his &#8216;retirement&#8217; on the Arabo/petrol payroll.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly defined track dependent on ceasefire.

Hamas has offered a ceasefire dependent on border issues and stopping incursions. It can be done, bit of tweaking on each side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly defined track dependent on ceasefire.</p>
<p>Hamas has offered a ceasefire dependent on border issues and stopping incursions. It can be done, bit of tweaking on each side.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark T

Look, the reality is, if Israel goes in there and kills Hamas or other Palestinians, Hamas will fire rockets. Its really that simple. So it has to reduce incursions, and at some point it will have to ease the borders - I said clearly defined track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark T</p>
<p>Look, the reality is, if Israel goes in there and kills Hamas or other Palestinians, Hamas will fire rockets. Its really that simple. So it has to reduce incursions, and at some point it will have to ease the borders &#8211; I said clearly defined track.</p>
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