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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280943</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m stupid, and might be racist, but you&#039;re not quite sure. Well, at least you&#039;re saying what you think, in the loosest possible sense of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m stupid, and might be racist, but you&#8217;re not quite sure. Well, at least you&#8217;re saying what you think, in the loosest possible sense of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: modernityblog</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280940</link>
		<dc:creator>modernityblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike S,

I have no problems expressing my views.

I think you are slow, occasionally dim and rather rigid in your views, but whether or not you have a chip on your shoulder about the existence of Jews remains to be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S,</p>
<p>I have no problems expressing my views.</p>
<p>I think you are slow, occasionally dim and rather rigid in your views, but whether or not you have a chip on your shoulder about the existence of Jews remains to be seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280936</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry
Thanks for your support. Just to clarify, I don&#039;t think Mel makes stuff up, I just don&#039;t think she scrutinises her sources when they happen to chime with her worldview. However, having been too quick to shoot my mouth in this case, I could justifiably be accused of standing outside my greenhouse, half-brick in hand...  

Mediocrityblog, if you want to call me a name, call it me. If you want to cite something I&#039;ve written that&#039;s beyond the pale, do it. Otherwise take the Ladybird guide to Freud you got for Christmas elsewhere. Possibly the same place you took your &quot;Martin Jacques: Tankie&quot; one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry<br />
Thanks for your support. Just to clarify, I don&#8217;t think Mel makes stuff up, I just don&#8217;t think she scrutinises her sources when they happen to chime with her worldview. However, having been too quick to shoot my mouth in this case, I could justifiably be accused of standing outside my greenhouse, half-brick in hand&#8230;  </p>
<p>Mediocrityblog, if you want to call me a name, call it me. If you want to cite something I&#8217;ve written that&#8217;s beyond the pale, do it. Otherwise take the Ladybird guide to Freud you got for Christmas elsewhere. Possibly the same place you took your &#8220;Martin Jacques: Tankie&#8221; one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tevya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tevya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, they&#039;re all true, particularly 2 in order not to offend sensitivities. And some think that Jews deserve it. And as Chirac put it, they&#039;re aren&#039;t many Jewish votes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, they&#8217;re all true, particularly 2 in order not to offend sensitivities. And some think that Jews deserve it. And as Chirac put it, they&#8217;re aren&#8217;t many Jewish votes</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280820</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There were also “several” testimonies, and the UN clearly decided that it was sufficiently satisfied that this is what happened to release it as a report.  If its incorrect, its the UN’s credibility that is on the line. So, it is, as I said, a UN source.
&lt;/i&gt;

The UN is recounting a story told to it by one side. The UN is simply the medium for the story in this instance, unlike, for example, in the case of the school where civilians died. There, UN staff were on the ground and gave first-hand accounts of what they saw.

You&#039;re making youself look like a berk over this. I understand your desperation to lend extra credence to any story that casts Israel as the villain, but you shouldn&#039;t let that interfere with your faculties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There were also “several” testimonies, and the UN clearly decided that it was sufficiently satisfied that this is what happened to release it as a report.  If its incorrect, its the UN’s credibility that is on the line. So, it is, as I said, a UN source.<br />
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<p>The UN is recounting a story told to it by one side. The UN is simply the medium for the story in this instance, unlike, for example, in the case of the school where civilians died. There, UN staff were on the ground and gave first-hand accounts of what they saw.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re making youself look like a berk over this. I understand your desperation to lend extra credence to any story that casts Israel as the villain, but you shouldn&#8217;t let that interfere with your faculties.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280764</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad Mike S has apologised in the light of David confirming the attack did indeed take place - it is pretty rare on this blog (or any other web forum) for people to hold their hands up as they would in &#039;normal life&#039; - so people should accept that in good spirit.

Unlike Mike S, I wouldn&#039;t have thought Melanie would have made up this - I don&#039;t agree with most of her writing but I don&#039;t think she would invent a story like this.

I know Mike S is not an anti-semite and any insinuations to the contrary are ridiculous.

On a related issue - when the annual report on anti-semitic incidents are released it is always greeted with scepticism. This really did not happen in the past with reports of racially motivated attacks on other ethnic groups.

Why is this?

A few possible reasons:

1. These people don&#039;t believe Jews when they talk about anti-semitic incidents because they think Jews are either liars or whingers.

2. People think these incidents make Muslims look bad and so they prefer to pretend they are insignificant or didn&#039;t even happen.

3. Some people on the left think that Jews are generally wealthy and successful and therefore cannot possibly be victims in any circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad Mike S has apologised in the light of David confirming the attack did indeed take place &#8211; it is pretty rare on this blog (or any other web forum) for people to hold their hands up as they would in &#8216;normal life&#8217; &#8211; so people should accept that in good spirit.</p>
<p>Unlike Mike S, I wouldn&#8217;t have thought Melanie would have made up this &#8211; I don&#8217;t agree with most of her writing but I don&#8217;t think she would invent a story like this.</p>
<p>I know Mike S is not an anti-semite and any insinuations to the contrary are ridiculous.</p>
<p>On a related issue &#8211; when the annual report on anti-semitic incidents are released it is always greeted with scepticism. This really did not happen in the past with reports of racially motivated attacks on other ethnic groups.</p>
<p>Why is this?</p>
<p>A few possible reasons:</p>
<p>1. These people don&#8217;t believe Jews when they talk about anti-semitic incidents because they think Jews are either liars or whingers.</p>
<p>2. People think these incidents make Muslims look bad and so they prefer to pretend they are insignificant or didn&#8217;t even happen.</p>
<p>3. Some people on the left think that Jews are generally wealthy and successful and therefore cannot possibly be victims in any circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisC, when the poster here said that the government would apparently be at fault, he or she was being facetious. Don&#039;t take the sentence literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisC, when the poster here said that the government would apparently be at fault, he or she was being facetious. Don&#8217;t take the sentence literally.</p>
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		<title>By: modernityblog</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280729</link>
		<dc:creator>modernityblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike S you wrote:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;mealy-mouthed insinuations of anti-semitism against me, fill your boots son!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I am not, that&#039;s NOT insinuating anything. I am stating that you and the above are consistent in your attitudes

the fact that these very attitudes lead you initially to question the post in ways that you wouldn&#039;t, if it had been ANY OTHER ethnic or social minority, is a question you might ask yourself

but then again I doubt that you, Benji or TheIrie really reflect on your own views, introspection doesn&#039;t appear to be your strong suit

again, just so you get it, you, Benji, TheIrie are mechanically responsive on this type of issue, thus you question the basis of evidence of a racial attack, when you would not, in all probability, do it on other occasions

as to WHY, that is the case, I can&#039;t say, however, your posts are evidence enough of some malaise, but that is in your own hands, not mine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S you wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;mealy-mouthed insinuations of anti-semitism against me, fill your boots son!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I am not, that&#8217;s NOT insinuating anything. I am stating that you and the above are consistent in your attitudes</p>
<p>the fact that these very attitudes lead you initially to question the post in ways that you wouldn&#8217;t, if it had been ANY OTHER ethnic or social minority, is a question you might ask yourself</p>
<p>but then again I doubt that you, Benji or TheIrie really reflect on your own views, introspection doesn&#8217;t appear to be your strong suit</p>
<p>again, just so you get it, you, Benji, TheIrie are mechanically responsive on this type of issue, thus you question the basis of evidence of a racial attack, when you would not, in all probability, do it on other occasions</p>
<p>as to WHY, that is the case, I can&#8217;t say, however, your posts are evidence enough of some malaise, but that is in your own hands, not mine</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modernity
&quot;instead of trying to rationalise your comments, look inside yourself and show some humility.&quot;
What in God&#039;s name are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modernity<br />
&#8220;instead of trying to rationalise your comments, look inside yourself and show some humility.&#8221;<br />
What in God&#8217;s name are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: UK jew who escaped to the US</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/01/09/a-jews-life-in-britain/comment-page-3/#comment-280686</link>
		<dc:creator>UK jew who escaped to the US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this PC pussyfooting is not confined to the UK -- mark steyn wrote about an incident at a jewish community center in seattle:

&lt;i&gt;Muslim male shows up ... and shoots six Jewish women, one of whom tries to flee up the stairs, but he spots her, leans over the railing, fires again and kills her. He describes himself as &quot;an American Muslim angry at Israel&quot; and tells 911 dispatchers: &#039;&#039;These are Jews. I want these Jews to get out. I&#039;m tired of getting pushed around, and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.&#039;&#039; And the local FBI guy took the usual no-jihad-to-see-here line. &#039;&#039;There&#039;s nothing to indicate it&#039;s terrorism related,&#039;&#039; &lt;/i&gt;

why does the BBC call naughty muslim kids &#039;asian youths&#039;?

its not because they&#039;re scared of the encroachment of jihadism and the retribution they might face by antagonizing this incendiary group; they&#039;re more terrified of being labeled racist. 

in the 80s we were taught at school when my local education authority changed &quot;ba-ba black sheep&quot; to &quot;ba-ba green sheep&quot;, and when they changed the blackboards to greenboards, that there is No Greater Sin Than Racism.

to my enlightened bourgeois chums it&#039;s racist to talk of the dysfunction at the heart of the radical muslim .. no, the default position of rose-tinted relativism is &quot;i wouldn&#039;t shoot people unless i had a serious grievance/i wouldnt fire rockets indiscriminately unless i was really desperate and had no other option&quot;. for this to work you need a source of grievance; of course israel fits the bill.

sadly this is the lens through which many of our compatriots view the world, and the BBC is one of the great purveyors of this orwellian exercise. it was bad enough when i left the UK in 2001, sadly its worse now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this PC pussyfooting is not confined to the UK &#8212; mark steyn wrote about an incident at a jewish community center in seattle:</p>
<p><i>Muslim male shows up &#8230; and shoots six Jewish women, one of whom tries to flee up the stairs, but he spots her, leans over the railing, fires again and kills her. He describes himself as &#8220;an American Muslim angry at Israel&#8221; and tells 911 dispatchers: &#8221;These are Jews. I want these Jews to get out. I&#8217;m tired of getting pushed around, and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.&#8221; And the local FBI guy took the usual no-jihad-to-see-here line. &#8221;There&#8217;s nothing to indicate it&#8217;s terrorism related,&#8221; </i></p>
<p>why does the BBC call naughty muslim kids &#8216;asian youths&#8217;?</p>
<p>its not because they&#8217;re scared of the encroachment of jihadism and the retribution they might face by antagonizing this incendiary group; they&#8217;re more terrified of being labeled racist. </p>
<p>in the 80s we were taught at school when my local education authority changed &#8220;ba-ba black sheep&#8221; to &#8220;ba-ba green sheep&#8221;, and when they changed the blackboards to greenboards, that there is No Greater Sin Than Racism.</p>
<p>to my enlightened bourgeois chums it&#8217;s racist to talk of the dysfunction at the heart of the radical muslim .. no, the default position of rose-tinted relativism is &#8220;i wouldn&#8217;t shoot people unless i had a serious grievance/i wouldnt fire rockets indiscriminately unless i was really desperate and had no other option&#8221;. for this to work you need a source of grievance; of course israel fits the bill.</p>
<p>sadly this is the lens through which many of our compatriots view the world, and the BBC is one of the great purveyors of this orwellian exercise. it was bad enough when i left the UK in 2001, sadly its worse now.</p>
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