It ’s the equivlent of attending a rally orginsed by Brownshirts, and then being surprised and outraged that Brownshirts were present.

Half of Hundal’s constituency are South Asian Muslims, and so his attendance at the demos was a cynical attempt to pander to that crowd.

One wonders what he’d charge for a rim-job

Karl – you made a rational response to some of my comments and then invented this:
“You imply that Israel is responsible for the fact, that women and minorities are discriminated in most Arab countries, for the high rate of analphabetic population. If Israel would not be existing life in the Middle East would be a real paradise, this is what you try to sell us.”

Well, someone else may have said it – I haven’t got the time or patience to look back but it wasn’t me!

I think you and Judy are seriously underestimating the significance of the massive economic subsidy Israel has received from the USA for many years. Israel has long been by far the biggest recipient of American aid in the world, and, on the basis that there is no such thing as a free lunch, you have to ask what it demands in return (beyond lots of arms contracts and arms testing).

If the US subsidy was massively reduced or disappeared altogether Israel would be forced into a much more realistic approach to securing a peaceful coexistence internally and with its neighbours.

But fact is, that Hamas knows very well that it does not need to have sophisticated weapons in order to terrorize one million Israelis. Some of their weapons are sophisticated and they come from the Iran. The plan is, to shell areas in Israel and make life impossible or very hard so as to induce Israelis to leave the place. This was done by the Hezbollah the Iranian branch in Lebanon. And the same strategy is followed by Hamas.

Please do not give us this story about Israel being the slave of the USA. Israel has an interesting story, when it comes to the supplying of weapons. First it was Prague (with the consent of the USSR) selling Israel weapons starting in April 1948. The USA declared embargo on Israel at that time. Then the French and the British sold weapons and Israel created a very profitable weapons industry. Only in the late sixties the USA became a supplier of aircraft.

Now to your statement “that is a threat to others in the region, most immediately the Palestinians” I am not going to recapitulate the story of the conflict. But in summer 2005 Israel has evacuated the Gaza strip and the Palestinians there had the possibility of coexisting with Israel. Who then continued to fire on Israeli towns and villages?

You imply that Israel is responsible for the fact, that women and minorities are discriminated in most Arab countries, for the high rate of analphabetic population. If Israel would not be existing life in the Middle East would be a real paradise, this is what you try to sell us.

But never mind. In the fossil mindset of the Jewish Socialists Group fantasy of a 2009 Bund, progress and democracy means marching alongside Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and the whole Islamist/Trotskyist totalitarian fan club. And screaming support for a regime which proclaims its intention to murder Jewish children not just in Israel; but everywhere. Stinking fish, indeed.

Judy, if despite what people see in front of their eyes on the television we’re actually helping Zionism in your eyes then why get your knickers in a twist about it?

Of course the Bund was inspirational and their leaders like Erlich in the 1930s very prescient about the result of the triumph of Zionism:
“If a Jewish state should arise in Palestine , its spiritual climate will be eternal fear of the external enemy (Arabs); eternal struggle for every foot of groudn and for every bit of work with the internal enemy (Arabs)…Is this a climate in which fredom, progress and democracy can grow?”

But the Bund had its best and worst days in the late 19th and 20th centuries, and we’re in 2009.

It’s actually a lot of Zionists who are stuck in the past and can’t get out the groove. They act and talk and write like it’s 1948, and it’s touch and go whether a Jewish state will survive – instead of recognising that a powerful state has been built, bristling with advanced weaponry sold by its masters in the USA as some return for their very, very, excessive subsidy, that is a threat to others in the region, most immediately the Palestinians.

So Judy, come out of 1948 and embrace 2009 (and open your eyes while you’re at it) otherwise you’ll be the one stinking like old gefilte fish.

They are just hoping to be killed last – or spared to live in Dhimmitude foir services rendered. Maybe they will get a job sharpening the knives or washing away the blood.

No more, no less.

No antisemite, no progressive, just a reactionary liberal who takes to the streets when the chances of getting his mug on Sky News (whom he slags off despite them paying him to flick through newspapers) next to a B-list celeb such as Annie Lennox look good.

That’s why he’ll be out next week and why he wasn’t on the Darfur march. That’s why he didn’t register a squeak when a similar number of Palestinian refugees in Nahr al Bared were killed by the Lebanese army last year: there was no mileage for self-promotion in that.

His attention-seeking exploits are well documented: this is a man whose goateed lips shat the classic “It’s time for brown people to vote Tory“. His ego is also well documented: when challenged on stating the anti-war Andrew Anthony was pro-war he didn’t have the grace to admit he was wrong and a debate with Norman Geras concluded with him misquoting himself rather than concede his woolly liberal argument was based on little more than huff and puff. That he moves solely in media whore circles is evident by his recent claim that “the only Asian girls I’ve known do hardcore drugs did cocaine for recreational use.”

It is interesting to note how he likes to play the victim and slag the comments boxes off here as often as he can. Fair enough, there are a lot of ucnts around these parts (and over at his blog too – recent threads have been locked due to Jew-baiting).

But on a recent post he claims:

This reminds of the controversy around the earlier ‘March for Free Expression’ demo, following the Motoons, whereby various Muslims were accusing free-speechers of siding with the BNP because they were also at the march. Yet, with the shoe on the other foot, the comments boxes of Harry’s Place is overflowing with people asking if I was comfortable marching with ‘Nazis and fascists’. Love the hypocrisy.

In Hundal World, a free-speech demo organised by 2 individuals (a socialist and a libertarian) which explicitly told the BNP they were unwelcome is somehow comparable to a march organised by well-known Islamist and antisemitic groups. If the March for Free Expression had been organised by Nick Griffin or if the BMI, PSC and co had been told to stay at home on Saturday he might have a point, but as it stands he is left defending himself with a straw man that would make Aunt Sally proud.

That there were one or two “We are Hamas” banners is neither here nor there: Hundal is doing a good enough job of discrediting himself without his detractors over-egging the pudding.

How times change. From many moons ago when his New Generation Network was all the rage:

Oh dear. One of the most “controversial” points I made during the launch of NGN was that anti-racists should reject any alliance with Islamist movements such as Hizb ut-Tahrir bcause those organisations were themselves full of prejudice. I pointed to the example of Blink promoting this march which included HuT and Azzam Tammimi amongst others.

The problem is that Blink is run by well meaning anti-racists who have no clue about Islamist organisations. One individual in particular, who I will not name, joined Blink a few years ago and has since been running their ‘department-for-coordinating-with-Muslim-organisations’. In practice that has meant signing up to whatever the MCB says and joining any rally even if it includes HuT. This is just further evidence of their cluelessness.

A complete about-turn, but hardly surprising: the New Generation Network is long forgotten.

And thus his own John Kerry flip-flop moment: Hundal was against marching with Islamists before he was for it.

Hypocrite.

As for the ‘We are Hamas’ flags… you say one, you took a pic. That doesn’t make the whole march fascist. I’ll be there next week.

Of course you will be there next week. And you will be just as guilty of marching in solidarity with terrorist-supporting theocratic creeps (you know they will be there) as you were this past Saturday. Very progressive of you.

Here’s an excerpt:

“I had an uncomfortable feeling I couldn’t articulate until I was leaving via Charing Cross tube. It was crowded inside as we made our way to the trains. Two girls started to chant “We are Hamas” (I’m not, thank you very much) but were almost immediately drowned out by “Free free Palestine” before I had the chance to get annoyed. And then it came: Allah hu Akbar, Allah hu Akbar on repeat. Our fellow white travellers said little.

And therein lies my problem. I came to the march to express solidarity with Palestinians and express my anger at Israel’s bombings. I didn’t come to express solidarity with Hamas, nor want to come to a religious march. If I wanted to hear “God is Great” I could have gone to a mosque or a gurudwara. But I didn’t. People can say what they want – freedom of speech etc – but I think this encapsulates a broader problem.”

Interesting notion that, the one that going to demos should involve as a right only hearing things you “want to hear”. Perhaps the organizers should have arranged with the other demonstrators before hand and made them agree not to say anything Sunny “didn’t want to hear”.

Honestly, the man must be involved in some sort of smugness competition – and Kamm has recently gone stratospheric so I imagine the compeition is stark.

Unless you’re concerned that the “broader problem” was anything substantial, it wasn’t.

“But many Britons, despite their sympathies, won’t I suspect because they feel such events are dominated by religious types who like to shout Allah hu Akbar, and rudeboys with kaffiyeh bandanas who like to prance around in front of the television. Let me tell it to you straight: it doesn’t help the cause.”

Geddit? Britons don’t want to march with people too overtly Muslim. As if the type of people inclined to oppose to the butchery in Gaza are so paranoid and precious that they would be alienated by a group of young men “brazingly” praising their God.
Callum | Homepage | 5 Jan, 23:37 | #

David T – love your fantasies about the left

Fantasies about the left? Rich indeed, coming from a chap who’s part of an absolutely miniscule group of ethnic Jews who firmly believe in the politics of Bundism, totally rootbound in the Ashkenazi Jewish communities of Eastern Europe of circa 1880-1943…

Demonstrations in favour of Israel’s actions:

1,000 black people in Harlem:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3650533,00.html

12,000 in Paris demonstrate for Israel:

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3650405,00.html

But in any case, how significant are demonstrations? Yes, they’re the standard resort of Trotskyist and Islamist totalitarian organizations who call out their cohorts, with their standard issue banners and slogans (and of course there’s always Neturei Karta to demonstrate that Real Religious Jews think Israel is the worst thing since sliced challah).

As my dad used to say, es toig oif gitte kapores……

David Rosenberg and the Jewish Socialists Group. Living fossils. Or perhaps stinking fish? But still ready to offer a Pilger-style self-justification for marching alongside wildly antisemitic clerical totalitarians, along the lines of
we can’t afford to be choosy. Well, perhaps it does make them look positively avant garde and progressive. After all, the Islamist totalitarians want to set the clock back to the 6th century, whereas the JSG wants to set it back only to 1943….

Gives zionism a good name, I say.