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		<title>By: kookimebux</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/28/gaza-beyond-the-protests/comment-page-6/#comment-296918</link>
		<dc:creator>kookimebux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. And Bye. :)</description>
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		<title>By: anand</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/28/gaza-beyond-the-protests/comment-page-6/#comment-274253</link>
		<dc:creator>anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could some of you give a tutorial on the Palestine Israeli issue and settlements?

Hamas seems to justify its attacks on Israel not based on what Israel is doing in Gaza--Israel has withdrawn from Gaza after all--but based on Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Perhaps 44 out of 120 settlements in the West Bank might include land confiscated from Palestinian private land owners. The Palestinians might have been paid a lower than fair market price for their land.

I would like to ask: &quot;When Israelis confiscate Palestinian private property in the West Bank, do they pay less than fair market prices for the land they confiscate? Do the Israelis use some &#039;eminent domain&#039; laws under the Israeli legal code to confiscate land? If not, what legal provision to the Israelis use (putting aside the issue of whether it is legal to use Israeli civil law in the occupied west bank)? Do Palestinian private land owners sue the Israeli government in Israeli courts for confiscating their land paying less than fair prices for the land they confiscate? What is the status of these lawsuits?&quot;

Any answers would be much appreciated.

Just a wild thought. If Israel issued a thirty year bond worth $20 billion and gave all the proceeds form the bond sale to the Palestinians, would that help ameliorate the Israeli Palestinian issue? Or is this just another naive and impractical American like idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could some of you give a tutorial on the Palestine Israeli issue and settlements?</p>
<p>Hamas seems to justify its attacks on Israel not based on what Israel is doing in Gaza&#8211;Israel has withdrawn from Gaza after all&#8211;but based on Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Perhaps 44 out of 120 settlements in the West Bank might include land confiscated from Palestinian private land owners. The Palestinians might have been paid a lower than fair market price for their land.</p>
<p>I would like to ask: &#8220;When Israelis confiscate Palestinian private property in the West Bank, do they pay less than fair market prices for the land they confiscate? Do the Israelis use some &#8216;eminent domain&#8217; laws under the Israeli legal code to confiscate land? If not, what legal provision to the Israelis use (putting aside the issue of whether it is legal to use Israeli civil law in the occupied west bank)? Do Palestinian private land owners sue the Israeli government in Israeli courts for confiscating their land paying less than fair prices for the land they confiscate? What is the status of these lawsuits?&#8221;</p>
<p>Any answers would be much appreciated.</p>
<p>Just a wild thought. If Israel issued a thirty year bond worth $20 billion and gave all the proceeds form the bond sale to the Palestinians, would that help ameliorate the Israeli Palestinian issue? Or is this just another naive and impractical American like idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Greenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Greenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes how predictable to protest against the slaughter of some 350 people, at the time of writing, by cowards in planes.  But I guess there are some scum on this list who will condemn &#039;suicide&#039; bombings whilst applauding the latest butchery.

And they bombed the Islamic University to rubble too.  I trust that those for whom &#039;academic freedom&#039; means the freedom of the settler universities in Israel won&#039;t protest too  much when the Academic Boycott campaign highlights the silence of Israel&#039;s academia, if not complicity, in the latest Nazi style attacks by the IDF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes how predictable to protest against the slaughter of some 350 people, at the time of writing, by cowards in planes.  But I guess there are some scum on this list who will condemn &#8217;suicide&#8217; bombings whilst applauding the latest butchery.</p>
<p>And they bombed the Islamic University to rubble too.  I trust that those for whom &#8216;academic freedom&#8217; means the freedom of the settler universities in Israel won&#8217;t protest too  much when the Academic Boycott campaign highlights the silence of Israel&#8217;s academia, if not complicity, in the latest Nazi style attacks by the IDF.</p>
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		<title>By: vildechaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>vildechaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Benji&#039;s following comment: &quot;what appears to be advocated here is the killing of any Hamas member, including civilians. This is an extreme position. After all, even during the Second World War, when the Nazis were killing millions of Jews, and threatened sovereign nations, not many seriously advocated the deliberate slaughter of any German Nazi party member, including civilians...&quot;

This is what happens when you live in a theoretical world instead of the real one. The Israelis may -- though i doubt it -- advocate killing ALL Hamas members, whether &quot;civilian&quot; or military, whereas the Allies in WWII may not have advocated murdering any Nazi, civilian or otherwise.

In practice, though, Israel appears to be taking measures to at least minimize civilian casualties (under difficult circumstances at that, given that rocket launch pads are housed in civilian neighborhoods). Contrast that with the actions of the Allies during WWII, where hundreds of thousands of civilians, nazi or not, were killed in indiscriminate bombing of cities such as Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and countless others. 

So Benji, get your theoretical head out of your theoretical ass and try living here in the real world for a change. You&#039;re starting to sound like Hasbara Buster, who talks without any sense of irony about how Jews have all these theoretical rights in Jordan, even though by his own account there are 0 Jews in Jordan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Benji&#8217;s following comment: &#8220;what appears to be advocated here is the killing of any Hamas member, including civilians. This is an extreme position. After all, even during the Second World War, when the Nazis were killing millions of Jews, and threatened sovereign nations, not many seriously advocated the deliberate slaughter of any German Nazi party member, including civilians&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what happens when you live in a theoretical world instead of the real one. The Israelis may &#8212; though i doubt it &#8212; advocate killing ALL Hamas members, whether &#8220;civilian&#8221; or military, whereas the Allies in WWII may not have advocated murdering any Nazi, civilian or otherwise.</p>
<p>In practice, though, Israel appears to be taking measures to at least minimize civilian casualties (under difficult circumstances at that, given that rocket launch pads are housed in civilian neighborhoods). Contrast that with the actions of the Allies during WWII, where hundreds of thousands of civilians, nazi or not, were killed in indiscriminate bombing of cities such as Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and countless others. </p>
<p>So Benji, get your theoretical head out of your theoretical ass and try living here in the real world for a change. You&#8217;re starting to sound like Hasbara Buster, who talks without any sense of irony about how Jews have all these theoretical rights in Jordan, even though by his own account there are 0 Jews in Jordan.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hamas thrives on misery? As if it was Hamas and not the Israelis starving Gaza!! &lt;/i&gt;

Hamas willfully starves Palestinains for that little touch of theatrical flourish.

More and more people are seeing that, and, believe it or not, some aid groups are even starting to point it out.

Hamas oppresses its own people, and will even kill a few, just to demonise Israel in the eyes of the international community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hamas thrives on misery? As if it was Hamas and not the Israelis starving Gaza!! </i></p>
<p>Hamas willfully starves Palestinains for that little touch of theatrical flourish.</p>
<p>More and more people are seeing that, and, believe it or not, some aid groups are even starting to point it out.</p>
<p>Hamas oppresses its own people, and will even kill a few, just to demonise Israel in the eyes of the international community.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is the ‘moderate, westernised Turkey’ we are supposed to accept into the EU, right?&lt;/i&gt;

Yep.

&lt;i&gt;Turkish membership of the EU spells the end of the UK as we know it.&lt;/i&gt;

Not just the UK, but all of Europe, as well.

It&#039;s amazing how people can through history right out the window and hand over everything their ancestors faught for to an enemy that has been trying to 1300 years to do you in.

Outside of the veneer of westernisation one sees in Istanbul and a few other large urban centres, Turkey is as backward as Waziristan.

And just as anti-semitic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is the ‘moderate, westernised Turkey’ we are supposed to accept into the EU, right?</i></p>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p><i>Turkish membership of the EU spells the end of the UK as we know it.</i></p>
<p>Not just the UK, but all of Europe, as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how people can through history right out the window and hand over everything their ancestors faught for to an enemy that has been trying to 1300 years to do you in.</p>
<p>Outside of the veneer of westernisation one sees in Istanbul and a few other large urban centres, Turkey is as backward as Waziristan.</p>
<p>And just as anti-semitic.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When it doubt resort to extreme anti-Muslim hatred.&lt;/i&gt;: HPHypocrite.

Some 60 of the nearly 200 killed in the Mumbai attacks were Muslims. Would you please explain to the Jihadists that their murderous gesture was islamophobic to the extreme.

&lt;i&gt;But I guess they deserved it for daring to feed “the Palestinians”&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t it about time these worthless, lazy &lt;b&gt;thespians&lt;/b&gt; learned to feed themselves?

In fact, isn&#039;t it about time the &lt;b&gt;entire islamic world&lt;/b&gt; got off its fat lazy butt and learned to feed itself?

Not gratuitously destroying high-tech greenhouses worth millions would be a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When it doubt resort to extreme anti-Muslim hatred.</i>: HPHypocrite.</p>
<p>Some 60 of the nearly 200 killed in the Mumbai attacks were Muslims. Would you please explain to the Jihadists that their murderous gesture was islamophobic to the extreme.</p>
<p><i>But I guess they deserved it for daring to feed “the Palestinians”</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it about time these worthless, lazy <b>thespians</b> learned to feed themselves?</p>
<p>In fact, isn&#8217;t it about time the <b>entire islamic world</b> got off its fat lazy butt and learned to feed itself?</p>
<p>Not gratuitously destroying high-tech greenhouses worth millions would be a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: Nachman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nachman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UN has reported that the number of civilian deaths is put at 51. Obviously 51 too many but when you are dealing with an enemy which says to you &quot;We value death while you value life&quot; one can clearly see where the blame is for innocent bloodshed. No one in Israel whether from the right or the left glorifies in the death of innocents even when those innocents are incalcated from an early age to hate Jews and the latest deaths are a moment for quiet reflection. However Israel will maintain and even strengthen its attacks over the next few days until it silences the rockets. The people of Gaza now have a choice as they had when they voted in Hamas which has led them down this path and that is to distance themselves from this fanatical fascist suicidal terrorist organisation and choose peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN has reported that the number of civilian deaths is put at 51. Obviously 51 too many but when you are dealing with an enemy which says to you &#8220;We value death while you value life&#8221; one can clearly see where the blame is for innocent bloodshed. No one in Israel whether from the right or the left glorifies in the death of innocents even when those innocents are incalcated from an early age to hate Jews and the latest deaths are a moment for quiet reflection. However Israel will maintain and even strengthen its attacks over the next few days until it silences the rockets. The people of Gaza now have a choice as they had when they voted in Hamas which has led them down this path and that is to distance themselves from this fanatical fascist suicidal terrorist organisation and choose peace.</p>
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		<title>By: HPhypocrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>HPhypocrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabien from Israel

“And the killing of over 200 people”

&quot;How many of those 200 would have no problem beheading you for being an infidel?&quot;

When it doubt resort to extreme anti-Muslim hatred.
There are many non-Muslims in Gaza (aid workers etc) many of whom have been killed in the current slaughter. But I guess they deserved it for daring to feed &quot;the Palestinians&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabien from Israel</p>
<p>“And the killing of over 200 people”</p>
<p>&#8220;How many of those 200 would have no problem beheading you for being an infidel?&#8221;</p>
<p>When it doubt resort to extreme anti-Muslim hatred.<br />
There are many non-Muslims in Gaza (aid workers etc) many of whom have been killed in the current slaughter. But I guess they deserved it for daring to feed &#8220;the Palestinians&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HPhypocrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>HPhypocrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maven

&quot;How you feeling now “Free Palestine” to know that you will only be free under Israel’s terms and neither you or your pals can do a damn thing about it. (as evidence ever since 1922 when every Arab attack ended up a disaster for Arabs)&quot;

Which is why Israel will never be able to live in peace -until the Palestinians have a just solution not one based on Israels terms, Until then Israel will never be accepted in the region no matter how shiny its hardware and will ever be a nation under siege not a normal one. The Arabs are weak now; but they wont always be. History fluctuates and is not on Israels side. 

What are their other options? Moving to a new neighbourhood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maven</p>
<p>&#8220;How you feeling now “Free Palestine” to know that you will only be free under Israel’s terms and neither you or your pals can do a damn thing about it. (as evidence ever since 1922 when every Arab attack ended up a disaster for Arabs)&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is why Israel will never be able to live in peace -until the Palestinians have a just solution not one based on Israels terms, Until then Israel will never be accepted in the region no matter how shiny its hardware and will ever be a nation under siege not a normal one. The Arabs are weak now; but they wont always be. History fluctuates and is not on Israels side. </p>
<p>What are their other options? Moving to a new neighbourhood?</p>
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