Comments on: The ‘new’ BNP is still the Nazi BNP http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Thu, 24 May 2012 21:45:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: fred http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-269030 fred Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:03:08 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-269030 are you sure this isnt a spinal tap-type parody of hatecore? ian stuart must be turning over in his grave. are you sure this isnt a spinal tap-type parody of hatecore? ian stuart must be turning over in his grave.

]]> By: winston http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-268443 winston Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:16:35 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-268443 pathetic losers pathetic losers

]]> By: Nearly Oxfordian http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267932 Nearly Oxfordian Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:27:29 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267932 <i>the Labour Party has abandoned taxpayers, and thrown in it’s lot with the welfare state</i> The so-called 'Labour' party is far more interested in steel and hedge fund billionaires than it is in the welfare state. the Labour Party has abandoned taxpayers, and thrown in it’s lot with the welfare state

The so-called ‘Labour’ party is far more interested in steel and hedge fund billionaires than it is in the welfare state.

]]> By: Edmund Standing http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267907 Edmund Standing Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:54:38 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267907 A response: <a href="http://edmundstanding.blogspot.com/2008/12/nazi-question.html" rel="nofollow">http://edmundstanding.blogspot.com/2008/12/nazi-question.html</a> A response: http://edmundstanding.blogspot.com/2008/12/nazi-question.html

]]> By: Tufty http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267852 Tufty Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:59:11 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267852 "And they don’t care about the bloody Monday Club, or the Bullingdon Club, or the bloody Tufty Club either." I fucking resent that, you cunt “And they don’t care about the bloody Monday Club, or the Bullingdon Club, or the bloody Tufty Club either.”

I fucking resent that, you cunt

]]> By: Mark Gardner http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267844 Mark Gardner Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:28:51 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267844 TonyS - agreed. Does anybody believe that BNP's publicly stated intentions bear any relation to Nick Griffin's fantasies in the bath? TonyS – agreed.

Does anybody believe that BNP’s publicly stated intentions bear any relation to Nick Griffin’s fantasies in the bath?

]]> By: TonyS http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267837 TonyS Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:13:40 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267837 The real Nazis contained people of many varying views, but we treated them all with equal contempt; until they stop professing racism I am inclined to treat the BNP with equal disgust, however many percent nazi they remain. The real Nazis contained people of many varying views, but we treated them all with equal contempt; until they stop professing racism I am inclined to treat the BNP with equal disgust, however many percent nazi they remain.

]]> By: David T http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267831 David T Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:50:13 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267831 Duncan - you should get in touch with Edmund. You'd have a lot to discuss. Duncan – you should get in touch with Edmund. You’d have a lot to discuss.

]]> By: Duncan Money http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267828 Duncan Money Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:46:39 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267828 <i>And they are finding this hard for the very good reason that, beneath the modern sheen, the BNP remains, as it always has been, a neo-Nazi organisation.</i> Anti-fascists have to stop trying to put the Nazi tail on the fascist donkey. While the BNP began life as an openly neo-Nazi organisation the party has changed and basing an anti-fascist strategy on the idea the BNP are still Nazis is woefully outdated. 'Nazi’ isn’t an insult or a slur, even though a lot of people use it as both. It’s a description of a real set of political ideas which were implemented in Germany with horrifying results. At one time the BNP placed themselves conciously in this tradition publishing 'HoloHoax News', praising Hitler, promising to seize power by physical force alone, threatening to smash trade unions and gas those who disagreed with them. This is clear evidence that the party, circa 1994, was a Nazi group. Now, in 2008, what you produce as evidence is one song by a neo-Nazi band being produced for the BNP along with evidence that some BNP branches contain members who are probably Nazis. At best this indicates a lingering connection to the small 1930's re-enactment societies which still exist, like Blood and Honour in the UK, which the BNP was closely associated with in the early to mid 1990's. Can you see why your argument may not have as much force now as it did in previous times? The strategy and politics of the modern BNP has much more in common with the extreme right parties across Europe which have entered the mainstream in the last 15 years, such as in France, Italy and Austria, than the NSDAP in Germany. This are the parties which Nick Griffin consciously copies. Therefore, if, like me, you want to halt and reverse the rise of the far right in this county then tactics should be based on an accurate assesment on what the BNP is, what it wants to do and how it wants to do rather than trying to demonstrate they are simply Nazis. And they are finding this hard for the very good reason that, beneath the modern sheen, the BNP remains, as it always has been, a neo-Nazi organisation.

Anti-fascists have to stop trying to put the Nazi tail on the fascist donkey.

While the BNP began life as an openly neo-Nazi organisation the party has changed and basing an anti-fascist strategy on the idea the BNP are still Nazis is woefully outdated.

‘Nazi’ isn’t an insult or a slur, even though a lot of people use it as both. It’s a description of a real set of political ideas which were implemented in Germany with horrifying results.

At one time the BNP placed themselves conciously in this tradition publishing ‘HoloHoax News’, praising Hitler, promising to seize power by physical force alone, threatening to smash trade unions and gas those who disagreed with them. This is clear evidence that the party, circa 1994, was a Nazi group.

Now, in 2008, what you produce as evidence is one song by a neo-Nazi band being produced for the BNP along with evidence that some BNP branches contain members who are probably Nazis.

At best this indicates a lingering connection to the small 1930’s re-enactment societies which still exist, like Blood and Honour in the UK, which the BNP was closely associated with in the early to mid 1990’s.

Can you see why your argument may not have as much force now as it did in previous times?

The strategy and politics of the modern BNP has much more in common with the extreme right parties across Europe which have entered the mainstream in the last 15 years, such as in France, Italy and Austria, than the NSDAP in Germany. This are the parties which Nick Griffin consciously copies.

Therefore, if, like me, you want to halt and reverse the rise of the far right in this county then tactics should be based on an accurate assesment on what the BNP is, what it wants to do and how it wants to do rather than trying to demonstrate they are simply Nazis.

]]> By: G. http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-267796 G. Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:11:38 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/12/15/the-new-bnp-is-still-the-nazi-bnp/#comment-267796 I hate to flog a dead horse, but is any of this any worse that Obama's connections? It's marginal either way and I think POTUS has rather more clout than some councillors in Bradford. I hate to flog a dead horse, but is any of this any worse that Obama’s connections? It’s marginal either way and I think POTUS has rather more clout than some councillors in Bradford.

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