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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Czardas</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-273183</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Czardas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Rukuni makes the comment that he actually lives in Zimbabwe while the rest of us must make our mind up on the news we are fed - and yes he does have that point, but I try to make my mind up by speaking to family members still in Zimbabwe as well as Black and White friends now living here in South Africa, in order to temper possible media bias.

I also base my judgements on what is said by commentators I trust - such as Elinor Sisulu (try googling Gukurahundi  and you will see atrocities reaching back way beyond a decade Charles).

Mugabe is a monster and it is to my country&#039;s eternal shame that we continue to keep silent about his tyrany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Rukuni makes the comment that he actually lives in Zimbabwe while the rest of us must make our mind up on the news we are fed &#8211; and yes he does have that point, but I try to make my mind up by speaking to family members still in Zimbabwe as well as Black and White friends now living here in South Africa, in order to temper possible media bias.</p>
<p>I also base my judgements on what is said by commentators I trust &#8211; such as Elinor Sisulu (try googling Gukurahundi  and you will see atrocities reaching back way beyond a decade Charles).</p>
<p>Mugabe is a monster and it is to my country&#8217;s eternal shame that we continue to keep silent about his tyrany.</p>
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		<title>By: bard on the run</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-267590</link>
		<dc:creator>bard on the run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freudian slip. I mean of course The Elders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freudian slip. I mean of course The Elders.</p>
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		<title>By: bard on the run</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-267588</link>
		<dc:creator>bard on the run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not google &#039;The Leaders&#039; or get there on my blog-link? I have the feeling Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu &amp; co. are as up to speed as anybody outside the place can be on all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not google &#8216;The Leaders&#8217; or get there on my blog-link? I have the feeling Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu &amp; co. are as up to speed as anybody outside the place can be on all this.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Rukuni</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-267373</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Rukuni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not one of the beneficiaries of the land reform programme. I don&#039;t have a farm and I do not intend to own one. I grew up on a farm. I know it&#039;s hard work. But I support the land reform programme so that those who seriously want to go into farming can do so. We cannot all be farmers.

I used to and still write for the Financial Gazette. We do not have  agree on everything.

For the remainder of the comments, I thought this was what this debate is about. We do not have to agree. 

The biggest problem in Zimbabwe is that the whole political issue has been turned into a religion. You are either wrong or you are right. You are either pro and anti-Mugabe. You are either pro or anti-Tsvangirai.


Yet surveys that have been done by independent think tanks show that more than 60 percent of the population does not support either Mugabe or Tsvangirai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not one of the beneficiaries of the land reform programme. I don&#8217;t have a farm and I do not intend to own one. I grew up on a farm. I know it&#8217;s hard work. But I support the land reform programme so that those who seriously want to go into farming can do so. We cannot all be farmers.</p>
<p>I used to and still write for the Financial Gazette. We do not have  agree on everything.</p>
<p>For the remainder of the comments, I thought this was what this debate is about. We do not have to agree. </p>
<p>The biggest problem in Zimbabwe is that the whole political issue has been turned into a religion. You are either wrong or you are right. You are either pro and anti-Mugabe. You are either pro or anti-Tsvangirai.</p>
<p>Yet surveys that have been done by independent think tanks show that more than 60 percent of the population does not support either Mugabe or Tsvangirai.</p>
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		<title>By: vildechaye</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-267293</link>
		<dc:creator>vildechaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Yes, the country is now in tatters but as another academic George Monbiot said, Mugabe upset the order of things by taking land from whites. It has always been the other way round. He is being punished for that...&quot;

No, he&#039;s being &quot;punished&quot; (if only!) because as you say the country is now in tatters!! (Tatters which were long predicted by many, it should be noted.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Yes, the country is now in tatters but as another academic George Monbiot said, Mugabe upset the order of things by taking land from whites. It has always been the other way round. He is being punished for that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, he&#8217;s being &#8220;punished&#8221; (if only!) because as you say the country is now in tatters!! (Tatters which were long predicted by many, it should be noted.)</p>
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		<title>By: vildechaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>vildechaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: david t blames the &#039;mooslims&#039;

Idiot, when did David T blame the Muslims for Zimbabwe? I know Mugabe and Muslim both share the first two letters, but beyond that.... where&#039;s the connection? I am however rather surprised you haven&#039;t blamed the Jooos yet, though perhaps you&#039;re just holding that back in reserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: david t blames the &#8216;mooslims&#8217;</p>
<p>Idiot, when did David T blame the Muslims for Zimbabwe? I know Mugabe and Muslim both share the first two letters, but beyond that&#8230;. where&#8217;s the connection? I am however rather surprised you haven&#8217;t blamed the Jooos yet, though perhaps you&#8217;re just holding that back in reserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Franco</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-266956</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, the second half of my comment was directed to the author of this post, not david t (I guess they won&#039;t mind, but still sorry for the confusion)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, the second half of my comment was directed to the author of this post, not david t (I guess they won&#8217;t mind, but still sorry for the confusion)</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Franco</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-266955</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;Yes, Mugabe is now arrogant, but let’s give him credit for the good things he did for Zimbabwe. Let us not lie that he has presided over the collapse of this country for 28 years. The collapse started only a decade ago and let us also accept the reasons.&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

even if it was so, that does not excluse mugabe in any way, on the contrary it only adds weight to his responsibilities in his country current situation. 

in politics, a people cannot become hostage of debts of gratitude. if a leader or an elite who once fought for national liberation then imposes on its own people a regime like the one in which zimbabweans are forced to live in, then that elite is betraying all the principles it once fought for, which in turn allows the question, were they fighting for national liberation or to become the sultan in the place of the sultan?

David T: if your explanation is correct, that&#039;s just one more example of how flawd a significant part of the academic elite is. I think one of the problems with academics is vanity, the other is how easily they get detached from reality when they are ideologically motivated, and finally, a certain lust for power over people&#039;s minds, and the third one is the one that bothers me most, because I&#039;ve seen how easy it is for manipulators to create a feeling of fascination on his students/assistants/followers. not everyone is like that, obviously, but it&#039;s just so easy after the get a certain degree of public recognition to become like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"Yes, Mugabe is now arrogant, but let’s give him credit for the good things he did for Zimbabwe. Let us not lie that he has presided over the collapse of this country for 28 years. The collapse started only a decade ago and let us also accept the reasons.&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>even if it was so, that does not excluse mugabe in any way, on the contrary it only adds weight to his responsibilities in his country current situation. </p>
<p>in politics, a people cannot become hostage of debts of gratitude. if a leader or an elite who once fought for national liberation then imposes on its own people a regime like the one in which zimbabweans are forced to live in, then that elite is betraying all the principles it once fought for, which in turn allows the question, were they fighting for national liberation or to become the sultan in the place of the sultan?</p>
<p>David T: if your explanation is correct, that&#8217;s just one more example of how flawd a significant part of the academic elite is. I think one of the problems with academics is vanity, the other is how easily they get detached from reality when they are ideologically motivated, and finally, a certain lust for power over people&#8217;s minds, and the third one is the one that bothers me most, because I&#8217;ve seen how easy it is for manipulators to create a feeling of fascination on his students/assistants/followers. not everyone is like that, obviously, but it&#8217;s just so easy after the get a certain degree of public recognition to become like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: old Labour</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-266864</link>
		<dc:creator>old Labour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LRB is a waste of time, unless you enjoy reading its cabal of stalinists and pseudo-liberals. The original review paper, the TLS, wins hands down for serious academic discussion.

God help Africa if Mamdani&#039;s idea of progress takes root. He is a classic symptom of the rotten state of certain sections of academia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LRB is a waste of time, unless you enjoy reading its cabal of stalinists and pseudo-liberals. The original review paper, the TLS, wins hands down for serious academic discussion.</p>
<p>God help Africa if Mamdani&#8217;s idea of progress takes root. He is a classic symptom of the rotten state of certain sections of academia.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/12/13/mugabe-and-mamdani/comment-page-1/#comment-266853</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmanuel has constructed a beautiful new theory of lebensraum!

Immigrants can never become citizens and you must give up part of your land as your country&#039;s population grows! I dont know where you live Emmanuel but presumably you would be happy to give up part of your home if the population grew. Further that if you are not a &quot;native&quot; you cannot own land there at all.

It would be comical if it were not so depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmanuel has constructed a beautiful new theory of lebensraum!</p>
<p>Immigrants can never become citizens and you must give up part of your land as your country&#8217;s population grows! I dont know where you live Emmanuel but presumably you would be happy to give up part of your home if the population grew. Further that if you are not a &#8220;native&#8221; you cannot own land there at all.</p>
<p>It would be comical if it were not so depressing.</p>
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