I didn’t say ‘comparative tolerance’ was ‘A half truth’. I said it was ‘half THE truth’. Something can in and of itself be true, but in the context of something else, only half the truth contextually.

And I’ve read plenty of academic histories of the Jews of the Arab and Islamic world.

“Who is denying nationalism to anybody ?”

So you do acknowledge Jewish nationalism is as legitimate as Palestinian Christian and Islamic? Good.

“If you are referring to the opposition to an imposed Settler State on stolen land, than that’s a totally different matter altogether.”

But Palestinian Christians and Muslims wanted to establish a state with most Palestinian Jews ejected and entry denied to the rest.

“It is also the reason why Jews have prayed and hoped daily for a restoration for nigh on 2000 years.”

“Funny how you seem unaware that also according to Judaism, the Jews are actually prohibited by God to seek to end their exile and establish a state and army until the Messiah redeems them.”

It is not forbidden for Jews to return to the land, nor is it forbidden for them to protect themselves against those who would drive them out, or prevent them entering if fleeing persecution, discrimination or worse.

“And while the fact of Islamic comparative tolerance is true, it is still only half the truth.”

”Goodness me ! Pedantic to the point of pointlessness; how do you want to verify the percentage of a general truth ? !

You’re the one who came up with “50%” of the truth being “more than 100% of a lie”.

“I assure you that any academic study into the Jewish experience of living in Arab countries pre modern Zionism, want quantify the tolerance factor as more than a “half truth”.

Not if you ask the majority of non- or anti-Zionist Arab Jews who were subsequently effectively driven out.
And, unhappy with just 50%, now who’s being a pedant?

“Well, if that is what you think, I would have thought you would then grant Jewish nationalism an equivalence to Arab, including Palestinian Arab, nationalism. Do you?”

Who is denying nationalism to anybody ? If you are referring to the opposition to an imposed Settler State on stolen land, than that’s a totally different matter altogether.

“It is also the reason why Jews have prayed and hoped daily for a restoration for nigh on 2000 years.”

Funny how you seem unaware that also according to Judaism, the Jews are actually prohibited by God to seek to end their exile and establish a state and army until the Messiah redeems them.

“And while the fact of Islamic comparative tolerance is true, it is still only half the truth.”

Goodness me ! Pedantic to the point of pointlessness; how do you want to verify the percentage of a general truth ? ! I assure you that any academic study into the Jewish experience of living in Arab countries pre modern Zionism, want quantify the tolerance factor as more than a “half truth”.

“Strangely enough it was not only Arabs, but also Arab Jews that regarded themselves as more Jewish than Arab (!);”

Well, if that is what you think, I would have thought you would then grant Jewish nationalism an equivalence to Arab, including Palestinian Arab, nationalism. Do you?

“strangely enough it is not only in the Islamic tradition that Jews were sent into Exile by God, but also in the Jewish tradition (!), which is why many religious Jews are anti-Zionist & opposed to the existence of the State of Israel.”

It is also the reason why Jews have prayed and hoped daily for a restoration for nigh on 2000 years.

Well, I did say:

“It is only half the truth to stress Islamic tolerance of Jews without mentioning historical prejudice, discrimination or occasional persecution, especially when critiquing the notion of Jewish national identity or aspirations +given that they are based on notions not entirely dissimilar to those held by most Muslims for most of Islamic history+.”

And while the fact of Islamic comparative tolerance is true, it is still only half the truth.

Your hypocrite smear again stems from you missing few planks; David Toube’s name is widely well known & freely available in Cyberspace, (credits to Richard Seymour for outing him long ago), and my description of him as a low-life was if anything a gross understatement, as he has a mountain of bad karma waiting to fall on him.

I never claim that there was absolutely no prejudice, discrimination or even occasional persecutions against Arab Jews before the creation of the State of Israel, but these are exceptions to the undeniable historical fact that the Jews communities that fund refuge in Arab countries after being expelled from Europe, prospered, lived in comparative safety, & therefore indeed thrived.

How do you know Alec Macpherson is my real name?

The fact that David Toube, the low life that runs this Site, tried desperately to keep hidden his ID,

Haha, hilarious. Right from chastising me for a non-point you advertize the article author’s full name and deliver a personally abusive comment. You’re nothing but a hypocrite.

How do you know Alec Macpherson is my real name?

“@Zkharya, I refer you to my line “until that is, the rise of Zionism & the subsequent creation of the Settler State of Israel”. When you can comprehend what others write, and write what others don’t already know, feel free to enlighten me with your wisdom.”

It’s still only half the truth, half the truth: the reason why Arab Muslims identified non- or anti-Zionist Arab Jews with Palestinian, Israeli or Zionist Jews, is because they regarded Arab Jews as more nationally Jewish than nationally Arab. And that view pre-dated the birth of the state of Israel, because such a view is rooted in the pre-existing Islamic tradition that Jews are a people historically dispossessed as a punishment for their rejection of Jesus and prophets.

It is only half the truth to stress Islamic tolerance of Jews without mentioning historical prejudice, discrimination or occasional persecution, especially when critiquing the notion of Jewish national identity or aspirations given that they are based on notions not entirely dissimilar to those held by most Muslims for most of Islamic history.

@Alec Macpherson, your strange obsession with my identity is truly suspect; even causing you to smear me as a “dishonest shiffy cheat” !! Goodness how desperately concerned you must be by little old me ! It’s almost flattering !

That the majority of other people who post here, are not using anything like real names, doesn’t concern you !?

The fact that David Toube, the low life that runs this Site, tried desperately to keep hidden his ID, despite doing exactly what you are trying to do now, in finding out people real names so to cause real trouble for them, makes me extremely suspicious that perhaps you are not who you claim to be.