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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: King Creole</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Creole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ on crutches.  Godwin keep and protect us.  Godwin&#039;s pumps protect us.</description>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/23/a-letter-to-the-new-us-president/comment-page-1/#comment-259536</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true, Graham. I bet John P would be pretty good at making the trains run on time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, Graham. I bet John P would be pretty good at making the trains run on time.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s more like the Italian chap in &quot;The Great Dictator&quot; if you ask me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s more like the Italian chap in &#8220;The Great Dictator&#8221; if you ask me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/23/a-letter-to-the-new-us-president/comment-page-1/#comment-259415</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John P&#039;s rants against Islam reminds me of that vulger upstart Austrian corporal with the little Charlie Chaplin mustache. A bit unfair comparison I know, but close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John P&#8217;s rants against Islam reminds me of that vulger upstart Austrian corporal with the little Charlie Chaplin mustache. A bit unfair comparison I know, but close.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Muslim State Of Somalia

&quot;Forty-three per cent of the country is in dire need of humanitarian assistance.&quot; --from the article linked below

One hundred per cent of the country of Somalia, in fact, is in dire need of humanitarian assistance. And the very best, and in the end most effective, humanitarian assistance that the Infidels of the world can offer is to do nothing. For by doing nothing, by allowing chaos and confusion, by showing to the Muslims of Somalia, and to Muslims elsewhere, and to non-Muslims all over the world, that the natural condition of people raised in societies suffused with Islam, societies in which there is no non-Muslim population to exploit or from which to extort the jizyah, direct or disguised, and no outside Infidels to constantly rescue Muslims, through infusions of aid and a bringing of a semblance of good government and order (and sometimes this has been the legacy of the very brief period of what is called, quite inaccurately in the case of the Arab states,&quot;Western imperialism&quot;) the natural state of homo islamicus, which is despotism or incessant warfare, or sometimes both at the same time.

The best &quot;humanitarian assistance&quot; is to recognize that Islam is the problem, and that until Islam has been exposed, shown up, as the true source for the political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral failures, of Muslim states and societies, any attempt to rescue Muslim states from the consequences of Islam will only weaken the West (and use up its own money, and distract itself from a proper analysis of the threat of Islam) and do nothing, in the long run, to help rescue Muslims from Islam.

The distempers of Muslim states have in some cases, especially in the tiny sheikdoms and in Saudi Arabia, been kept at bay, or disguised, by the vast and unearned largesse that comes from oil and gas deposits. But there is nothing splendid, nothing heartening, nothing encouraging about these plutocracies, these absurd qatars and kuwaits and abu dhabis, or those who batten on their proximity to the oil, the bahrains and the dubais. They are comical in their pretensions, and not one of them could last for a minute without Western, non-Muslim experts, of every kind, nor could their rulers last without access to the West, to education and medical care that only the West provides, and where those assorted emirs and beglerbegs and pashas buy their hotels particuliers and their Plantagenet hunting-lodges, in what for them (forget about visits to museums and churches and libraries -- that&#039;s what those silly Americans, with their touching respect for cultural artifacts of older civilizations, like to do) the fun-fair-cum-brothel of Western Europe.

Be a true humanitarian. Do nothing, nothing at all, not a dollar in aid, not a soldier on the ground, to rescue any Muslim country from the consequences of its own political and economic and social and moral and intellectual failures. Let it stew, and stew.

Of course, we can&#039;t prevent the rich Muslims -- the Saudis, the Emiratians, the Kuwaitis, the Qataris, and all the others -- from extending aid to Somalia or other poorer members of the Umma. But that&#039;s their affair. So let&#039;s give the rich members of the Umma the chance to show that famous Muslim solidarity that we hear so much about, but that seems to reveal itself only in a shared hatred of non-Muslims, not in any sharing among Muslims themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Muslim State Of Somalia</p>
<p>&#8220;Forty-three per cent of the country is in dire need of humanitarian assistance.&#8221; &#8211;from the article linked below</p>
<p>One hundred per cent of the country of Somalia, in fact, is in dire need of humanitarian assistance. And the very best, and in the end most effective, humanitarian assistance that the Infidels of the world can offer is to do nothing. For by doing nothing, by allowing chaos and confusion, by showing to the Muslims of Somalia, and to Muslims elsewhere, and to non-Muslims all over the world, that the natural condition of people raised in societies suffused with Islam, societies in which there is no non-Muslim population to exploit or from which to extort the jizyah, direct or disguised, and no outside Infidels to constantly rescue Muslims, through infusions of aid and a bringing of a semblance of good government and order (and sometimes this has been the legacy of the very brief period of what is called, quite inaccurately in the case of the Arab states,&#8221;Western imperialism&#8221;) the natural state of homo islamicus, which is despotism or incessant warfare, or sometimes both at the same time.</p>
<p>The best &#8220;humanitarian assistance&#8221; is to recognize that Islam is the problem, and that until Islam has been exposed, shown up, as the true source for the political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral failures, of Muslim states and societies, any attempt to rescue Muslim states from the consequences of Islam will only weaken the West (and use up its own money, and distract itself from a proper analysis of the threat of Islam) and do nothing, in the long run, to help rescue Muslims from Islam.</p>
<p>The distempers of Muslim states have in some cases, especially in the tiny sheikdoms and in Saudi Arabia, been kept at bay, or disguised, by the vast and unearned largesse that comes from oil and gas deposits. But there is nothing splendid, nothing heartening, nothing encouraging about these plutocracies, these absurd qatars and kuwaits and abu dhabis, or those who batten on their proximity to the oil, the bahrains and the dubais. They are comical in their pretensions, and not one of them could last for a minute without Western, non-Muslim experts, of every kind, nor could their rulers last without access to the West, to education and medical care that only the West provides, and where those assorted emirs and beglerbegs and pashas buy their hotels particuliers and their Plantagenet hunting-lodges, in what for them (forget about visits to museums and churches and libraries &#8212; that&#8217;s what those silly Americans, with their touching respect for cultural artifacts of older civilizations, like to do) the fun-fair-cum-brothel of Western Europe.</p>
<p>Be a true humanitarian. Do nothing, nothing at all, not a dollar in aid, not a soldier on the ground, to rescue any Muslim country from the consequences of its own political and economic and social and moral and intellectual failures. Let it stew, and stew.</p>
<p>Of course, we can&#8217;t prevent the rich Muslims &#8212; the Saudis, the Emiratians, the Kuwaitis, the Qataris, and all the others &#8212; from extending aid to Somalia or other poorer members of the Umma. But that&#8217;s their affair. So let&#8217;s give the rich members of the Umma the chance to show that famous Muslim solidarity that we hear so much about, but that seems to reveal itself only in a shared hatred of non-Muslims, not in any sharing among Muslims themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;that way you could rage, vent and otherwise exercise your blood pressure, but spare the rest of us from your repetitive and predictable rants, which we’ve all heard about 200 times before, at the very least&lt;/i&gt;

You know Modernity, I rarely lace into personal rants about other commenters here.

I think it is appalling that intelligent people like you cannot the dots when it comes to violence and corruption endemic to nearly Muslim-marjority countries and to tie that back to Islam itself.

Orzala wants the troops out, but wants all the money to stay. Her posting does not mention Islam even once, and this despite the fact that all of her complaints about the violence, the corruption and the dysfunction all come down to religion.

So Afganistan&#039;s salvation doesn&#039;t lie in economic aid or humanitarian aid or education aid and any kind of aid; no that salvation lies in a mass conversion to another relgion, any religion but Islam.

There isn&#039;t any point in attempting to win hearts and minds when every last &lt;b&gt;square millimetre&lt;/b&gt; of those hearts and minds are completely, utterly and thoroughly occupied by an ideology that brokers no other views no other opinions and no competition, and this on pain of death.

I feel terribly sorry for Orzala and for the women and children of Afganistan and I do so because they&#039;re all trapped in a religious prison from which the only exit is death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>that way you could rage, vent and otherwise exercise your blood pressure, but spare the rest of us from your repetitive and predictable rants, which we’ve all heard about 200 times before, at the very least</i></p>
<p>You know Modernity, I rarely lace into personal rants about other commenters here.</p>
<p>I think it is appalling that intelligent people like you cannot the dots when it comes to violence and corruption endemic to nearly Muslim-marjority countries and to tie that back to Islam itself.</p>
<p>Orzala wants the troops out, but wants all the money to stay. Her posting does not mention Islam even once, and this despite the fact that all of her complaints about the violence, the corruption and the dysfunction all come down to religion.</p>
<p>So Afganistan&#8217;s salvation doesn&#8217;t lie in economic aid or humanitarian aid or education aid and any kind of aid; no that salvation lies in a mass conversion to another relgion, any religion but Islam.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t any point in attempting to win hearts and minds when every last <b>square millimetre</b> of those hearts and minds are completely, utterly and thoroughly occupied by an ideology that brokers no other views no other opinions and no competition, and this on pain of death.</p>
<p>I feel terribly sorry for Orzala and for the women and children of Afganistan and I do so because they&#8217;re all trapped in a religious prison from which the only exit is death.</p>
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		<title>By: Phomesy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phomesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want so desperately to be able to read this Guest piece and feel hope for a different answer to a terrible dilemma.

Unfortunately, I simply cannot reconcile the outcomes demanded with the policies suggested (or forbidden)...

&lt;i&gt;Afghanistan presents a tragic example of what cannot be achieved by compromising with and integrating warlords and drug-lords into the governing core of the nation... The encouragement of some members of the international community that we should negotiate with those who behead civilians, use women and children as human shields, manipulate young people and brainwash them to become terrorists, cannot be accepted by Afghan people. The real end to the ‘war on terror’ can only be achieved if there is accountability for war and crimes committed during the recent upheavals and when an effective system of justice is established in the country.&lt;/i&gt;

So there&#039;s no political solution to be pursued with the Taliban. And no end is conceivable without a justice system that will hold all to account for their crimes...

&lt;i&gt; What we expect from you is to let the CHANGE for Afghanistan to be lead by Afghans and only support such CHANGE by supporting women and men, children and youth of Afghanistan with more economic development opportunities, more jobs, more education, and not by sending your troops and escalating the war.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t understand. Are the Taliban simply going to lay down their arms - or are the Afghan security forces better prepared than I thought?

There&#039;s billions of dollars in economic development funds that simply can&#039;t be allocated to projects in Afghanistan because of the insurgency. Afghanistan can&#039;t get the former unless the latter is nullified. How exactly does Orzala suggest this will happen?

I&#039;ve no problem believing that there&#039;s been strategic failures in Afghanistan - however, this post does nothing to explain those failures or what the better alternatives are. 

Calling for no surrender/dialogue to the Taliban whilst simultaneously rejecting the use of military force is hopelessly contradictory. As is on one hand bemoaning &quot;Western models&quot; of democracy being &quot;implied&quot; because they lack cultural  nuance - only to insist that those same models be applied to anti-corruption; education for women/children etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want so desperately to be able to read this Guest piece and feel hope for a different answer to a terrible dilemma.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I simply cannot reconcile the outcomes demanded with the policies suggested (or forbidden)&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Afghanistan presents a tragic example of what cannot be achieved by compromising with and integrating warlords and drug-lords into the governing core of the nation&#8230; The encouragement of some members of the international community that we should negotiate with those who behead civilians, use women and children as human shields, manipulate young people and brainwash them to become terrorists, cannot be accepted by Afghan people. The real end to the ‘war on terror’ can only be achieved if there is accountability for war and crimes committed during the recent upheavals and when an effective system of justice is established in the country.</i></p>
<p>So there&#8217;s no political solution to be pursued with the Taliban. And no end is conceivable without a justice system that will hold all to account for their crimes&#8230;</p>
<p><i> What we expect from you is to let the CHANGE for Afghanistan to be lead by Afghans and only support such CHANGE by supporting women and men, children and youth of Afghanistan with more economic development opportunities, more jobs, more education, and not by sending your troops and escalating the war.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand. Are the Taliban simply going to lay down their arms &#8211; or are the Afghan security forces better prepared than I thought?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s billions of dollars in economic development funds that simply can&#8217;t be allocated to projects in Afghanistan because of the insurgency. Afghanistan can&#8217;t get the former unless the latter is nullified. How exactly does Orzala suggest this will happen?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no problem believing that there&#8217;s been strategic failures in Afghanistan &#8211; however, this post does nothing to explain those failures or what the better alternatives are. </p>
<p>Calling for no surrender/dialogue to the Taliban whilst simultaneously rejecting the use of military force is hopelessly contradictory. As is on one hand bemoaning &#8220;Western models&#8221; of democracy being &#8220;implied&#8221; because they lack cultural  nuance &#8211; only to insist that those same models be applied to anti-corruption; education for women/children etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: modernityblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>modernityblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP, 

have you ever thought of having your own blog? 

that way you could rage, vent and otherwise exercise your blood pressure, but spare the rest of us from your repetitive and predictable rants, which we&#039;ve all heard about 200 times before, at the very least</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP, </p>
<p>have you ever thought of having your own blog? </p>
<p>that way you could rage, vent and otherwise exercise your blood pressure, but spare the rest of us from your repetitive and predictable rants, which we&#8217;ve all heard about 200 times before, at the very least</p>
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		<title>By: John Palubiski</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Palubiski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;John P
“those problemes (sic) are internally generated, being the product of a stubborn, supremacist mindset that is simply incapable of introspection.”&lt;/i&gt;

Well you can *chortle* all you want, but hundreds of billions have been spent on the Muslim world and nothing has come of it.

Pakistan, for instance, recently spent ALL of the 3.5 billion it had in its foreign reserves to purchase chinese nuclear technologies, and then promptly turned around and asked the IMF for twice that amount (some 7 billion) in order to buy basic foodstuffs to stave of starvation.

 In other words, it needs a &#039;bail out&#039; because its spent every last cent of its reserves indulging its Muslim-supremacist hatred of India, and it did so with the &lt;b&gt;full knowledge&lt;/b&gt; that such actions could engender famine. And as with practically &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; the previous bail-outs, it&#039;ll renege on its promise to repay.

Pakistan is like some drunken welfare case pawning foodstamps for money to buy booze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John P<br />
“those problemes (sic) are internally generated, being the product of a stubborn, supremacist mindset that is simply incapable of introspection.”</i></p>
<p>Well you can *chortle* all you want, but hundreds of billions have been spent on the Muslim world and nothing has come of it.</p>
<p>Pakistan, for instance, recently spent ALL of the 3.5 billion it had in its foreign reserves to purchase chinese nuclear technologies, and then promptly turned around and asked the IMF for twice that amount (some 7 billion) in order to buy basic foodstuffs to stave of starvation.</p>
<p> In other words, it needs a &#8216;bail out&#8217; because its spent every last cent of its reserves indulging its Muslim-supremacist hatred of India, and it did so with the <b>full knowledge</b> that such actions could engender famine. And as with practically <b>all</b> the previous bail-outs, it&#8217;ll renege on its promise to repay.</p>
<p>Pakistan is like some drunken welfare case pawning foodstamps for money to buy booze.</p>
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		<title>By: ANOTHERHPHYPOCRITE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ANOTHERHPHYPOCRITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John P
&quot;those problemes (sic) are internally generated, being the product of a stubborn, supremacist mindset that is simply incapable of introspection.&quot;

chortle

Physician heal thyself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John P<br />
&#8220;those problemes (sic) are internally generated, being the product of a stubborn, supremacist mindset that is simply incapable of introspection.&#8221;</p>
<p>chortle</p>
<p>Physician heal thyself</p>
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