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	<title>Comments on: Are All BNP Members Racists?</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Mrs Ben</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/19/are-all-bnp-members-racists/comment-page-3/#comment-258332</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or do they mean the police have a duty to promote ethnic equality? I find it particularly interesting that there is no reference to religious equality only racial equality which is of course not the same thing as religious equality - although the police often seen to have difficulty distinguishing between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or do they mean the police have a duty to promote ethnic equality? I find it particularly interesting that there is no reference to religious equality only racial equality which is of course not the same thing as religious equality &#8211; although the police often seen to have difficulty distinguishing between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that Monty. It is interesting to see that the police have a duty to promote racial equality. No mention of promoting religious or sexual equality. Presumably it is ok for a police officer to be anti-Christians (&quot;crusaders&quot;) or indeed anti Moslems, or anti gays or anti feminists. Just so long as the colour of any member of these groups was not an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Monty. It is interesting to see that the police have a duty to promote racial equality. No mention of promoting religious or sexual equality. Presumably it is ok for a police officer to be anti-Christians (&#8220;crusaders&#8221;) or indeed anti Moslems, or anti gays or anti feminists. Just so long as the colour of any member of these groups was not an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan@Aberdeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan@Aberdeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The BNP are simpletons who haven’t the slightest chance of gaining power.&quot;

How many people vote for the LibDhimmis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The BNP are simpletons who haven’t the slightest chance of gaining power.&#8221;</p>
<p>How many people vote for the LibDhimmis?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs Ben:

&quot;Is MAB membership prescribed by the state for police and prison officers in the UK?&quot;

This is what it says on the Met website:

Your Character

All employees of the Met, whether they wear a uniform or not, are in a position of responsibility and trust. As such they should be law-abiding citizens with proven integrity. If you have previously been convicted of a criminal offence or had involvement with the police your suitability will be subject to careful consideration.

We also have a policy of prohibiting any of our officers, staff and volunteers from becoming members of the BNP or similar organisations whose aims or pronouncements may contradict the duty to promote race equality.
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The MAB don&#039;t fall into the narrow definition of contradicting race equality. So they probably get a pass.

There have also been reports, not denied by the intelligence services, of a small number of serving police officers with links to al qaeda. They remain in post, none have been disciplined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Ben:</p>
<p>&#8220;Is MAB membership prescribed by the state for police and prison officers in the UK?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what it says on the Met website:</p>
<p>Your Character</p>
<p>All employees of the Met, whether they wear a uniform or not, are in a position of responsibility and trust. As such they should be law-abiding citizens with proven integrity. If you have previously been convicted of a criminal offence or had involvement with the police your suitability will be subject to careful consideration.</p>
<p>We also have a policy of prohibiting any of our officers, staff and volunteers from becoming members of the BNP or similar organisations whose aims or pronouncements may contradict the duty to promote race equality.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>The MAB don&#8217;t fall into the narrow definition of contradicting race equality. So they probably get a pass.</p>
<p>There have also been reports, not denied by the intelligence services, of a small number of serving police officers with links to al qaeda. They remain in post, none have been disciplined.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregorious Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregorious Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Allan@Aberdeen; &quot;Would he be good enough then to explain why Britain should not remain white and Christian?&quot;

I&#039;ll tell you why: Britain ISN&#039;T white and Britain ISN&#039;T Christian. 

Sure, the lion&#039;s share of the population are one or the other 
(though less than 40% of people believe in God including non-Christians), but due to a little thing called &quot;The British Empire&quot;, British people of other colours and belief systems have been living in this country for centuries. There have been Jews here from as long ago as when there were Normans. There were Romans here before &quot;England&quot; was &quot;England&quot;. 

Ethnically, we are a race of mongrels, and any decision which imposes a restriction of national identity membership to an archaic racial group or belief system is arbitrary in the extreme. 

And how, pray tell, does one &quot;keep&quot; Britain white and Christian, even if it WAS those things? 

PS Christ was a Jew...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Allan@Aberdeen; &#8220;Would he be good enough then to explain why Britain should not remain white and Christian?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you why: Britain ISN&#8217;T white and Britain ISN&#8217;T Christian. </p>
<p>Sure, the lion&#8217;s share of the population are one or the other<br />
(though less than 40% of people believe in God including non-Christians), but due to a little thing called &#8220;The British Empire&#8221;, British people of other colours and belief systems have been living in this country for centuries. There have been Jews here from as long ago as when there were Normans. There were Romans here before &#8220;England&#8221; was &#8220;England&#8221;. </p>
<p>Ethnically, we are a race of mongrels, and any decision which imposes a restriction of national identity membership to an archaic racial group or belief system is arbitrary in the extreme. </p>
<p>And how, pray tell, does one &#8220;keep&#8221; Britain white and Christian, even if it WAS those things? </p>
<p>PS Christ was a Jew&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Nick In S.A. makes a good point.

David T is changing the moral goal posts depending on who is being raked over the coals. 

The BNP are simpletons who haven&#039;t the slightest chance of gaining power.

That said, I don&#039;t think their racism is any different or any worse than the &#039;kuffarphobia&#039; which is found even in mainstream Islam.

When will we develope the ability &lt;b&gt;and the courage&lt;/b&gt; to hold all peoples, cultures, religions and races to the exact same standards without squinting, squirming and equivocating?

And does David T. realise that such relativism in judgement is part of what is fueling BNP support?

The blatant double standard (see Brett&#039;s posting on violent Black homophobia) is pushing people into the arms of the BNP far more than racist sentiments.

But our lack of courage means the social malaise must always be defined, framed, as merely an outbreak of racism, when, in fact, it goes a lot deeper than that.

But it&#039;s a pandora&#039;s box no one dare open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Nick In S.A. makes a good point.</p>
<p>David T is changing the moral goal posts depending on who is being raked over the coals. </p>
<p>The BNP are simpletons who haven&#8217;t the slightest chance of gaining power.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t think their racism is any different or any worse than the &#8216;kuffarphobia&#8217; which is found even in mainstream Islam.</p>
<p>When will we develope the ability <b>and the courage</b> to hold all peoples, cultures, religions and races to the exact same standards without squinting, squirming and equivocating?</p>
<p>And does David T. realise that such relativism in judgement is part of what is fueling BNP support?</p>
<p>The blatant double standard (see Brett&#8217;s posting on violent Black homophobia) is pushing people into the arms of the BNP far more than racist sentiments.</p>
<p>But our lack of courage means the social malaise must always be defined, framed, as merely an outbreak of racism, when, in fact, it goes a lot deeper than that.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a pandora&#8217;s box no one dare open.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Nick of SA on this one. What is it that makes the BNP more loathsome than the Moslem Brotherhood?  MAB has several members  (Mohammed Sawalha. al-Tamini)i whose allegiances to the Brotherhood and the MAB are coincident and hard to disentangle. Is MAB membership prescribed  by the state for police and prison officers in the UK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Nick of SA on this one. What is it that makes the BNP more loathsome than the Moslem Brotherhood?  MAB has several members  (Mohammed Sawalha. al-Tamini)i whose allegiances to the Brotherhood and the MAB are coincident and hard to disentangle. Is MAB membership prescribed  by the state for police and prison officers in the UK?</p>
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		<title>By: John Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When did the Labour Party have virginty tests? And who for?&lt;/i&gt;

The Labour governments of the 1970s subjected brides emigrating from the Indian sub-continent to &quot;virginity tests&quot; (involving rubber gloves and a female immigration officer) when entering the country, to try to determine if their marriages were genuine.

All that stopped when the 1981 Nationality Act was passed which removed the right of such people to emigrate to the UK entirely.  The Act originated as a green paper under those same racist Labour governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When did the Labour Party have virginty tests? And who for?</i></p>
<p>The Labour governments of the 1970s subjected brides emigrating from the Indian sub-continent to &#8220;virginity tests&#8221; (involving rubber gloves and a female immigration officer) when entering the country, to try to determine if their marriages were genuine.</p>
<p>All that stopped when the 1981 Nationality Act was passed which removed the right of such people to emigrate to the UK entirely.  The Act originated as a green paper under those same racist Labour governments.</p>
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		<title>By: field</title>
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		<dc:creator>field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being racist is not a reason for criminalisation. 

Operating a Nazi front organisation with the purpose of overthrowing the democratic order is. 

There&#039;s plenty of evidence that the BNP was and still is a Nazi front organisation. 

People who are real race supremacists cannot be allowed to take part in democratic institutions (or indeed serve in public organisations) because the race supremacy idea directly opposes the democratic idea.  The same goes for Islamic totalitarian organisations, and other totalitarian organisations. The same goes for monarchist parties. 

Only parties that fully accept the democratic nature of our constitution should be allowed to take part in the democratic process. If the BNP want to rename themselves the British National Propaganda Group and espouse racist ideas, I have no problem with that. Let them - as long as by law they cannot stand for election to parliament or other democratic bodies. But don&#039;t allow them to subvert the democratic process by getting people elected whose purpose it is to destroy democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being racist is not a reason for criminalisation. </p>
<p>Operating a Nazi front organisation with the purpose of overthrowing the democratic order is. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of evidence that the BNP was and still is a Nazi front organisation. </p>
<p>People who are real race supremacists cannot be allowed to take part in democratic institutions (or indeed serve in public organisations) because the race supremacy idea directly opposes the democratic idea.  The same goes for Islamic totalitarian organisations, and other totalitarian organisations. The same goes for monarchist parties. </p>
<p>Only parties that fully accept the democratic nature of our constitution should be allowed to take part in the democratic process. If the BNP want to rename themselves the British National Propaganda Group and espouse racist ideas, I have no problem with that. Let them &#8211; as long as by law they cannot stand for election to parliament or other democratic bodies. But don&#8217;t allow them to subvert the democratic process by getting people elected whose purpose it is to destroy democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s not a virginity test, I don&#039;t know what the hell is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s not a virginity test, I don&#8217;t know what the hell is.</p>
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