The question wasnt meant to obfuscate the issues ,my point is not that I support the BNP , or that the BNP have great policies and will be elected ,( I think they do have some good policies which the public seem to like ( see earlier links), and Politicians would do well to take on board , but I also disagree with some of their other policies , as I stated in earlier post . )

No , The problem lies with stifling debate about the issues they campaign about. We should have an open honest debate about the issues raised without being called ‘Racist’.

Because the minute anyone seems to mention Immigration or similar on a blog etc ,immediately they seem to be shouted down or labelled or whatever , and this is not conducive to the wider discussion.

Many of the people I regularly talk to in West Yorkshire , are first and second generation Pakistani muslims , and a huge majority of the ones I speak to believe that we have too many Immigrants here already , and we are too soft on Criminals . many of them dislike the idea of the E.U , Go figure !

Whilst people stick their head in the sand about these core issues , The BNP will receive support , not because of what their leaders think , but because these are the issues that matter to them .

The gentleman whos post we originally discussed , only put forward his experiences as he experienced them , I noticed he did so in a polite and intelligent way.

I commented because I thought his post was well put and interesting and not because of anything to do with the BNP . Youre as welcome to dislike what he said as I am to like it , thats the free society we live in.

If we want an equal society , which I certainly do , then we need to listen to all people of any colour , and that means Black, White , Yellow whatever …but we need to be honest about who we are and what we want , not just legislate peoples opinions out of the way.

Some people I speak with are rightly worried about the future direction of this country for themselves and their families, and many feel the current system doesnt address their needs or listen to their views . They are however looking for Some person or Party that does speak for them , which is what brought us to this point.

BTW

Ive enjoyed the discussion very much , and I’m sure we agree on many things , and on the rest we’ll have to agree to disagree .

All the best to Ya.

I have no definite proof that all BNP voters/supporters are racist. However, I do have evidence that the BNP’s leadership and many of the people involved with the party have at times said things that are not very far away from the mutterings of Hitler. Now, the average BNP supporter knows nothing of these terrible things or they do. If they don’t, then they are a bit stupid and naive; if they do then they wouldn’t appear to mind being lead by people who are racist. We will keep going around in circles, as you say, until you concede that Nick Griffin is a very, very racist man and that this is public knowledge.

P.rat

OK. One Question , because we’re going round in circles .

Back to the original topic.

Where is the proof that ALL BNP voters / supporters are racist ?

OK. One Question , because we’re going round in circles .

Back to the original topic.

Where is the proof that ALL BNP voters are racist ?

Top-up fees, welfare, divisions between the Tories and Labour, the EU, these are all big issues, but they are all almost irrelevant disputes stood next to wanting to get rid of all the blacks etc. Either you think that the BNP aren’t as bad as they are painted to be, as you do, or you percieve them to be vile, as I do. How can anyone who supports the BNP and be aware of what Nick Griffin (the leader for goodness sake!) has said about ethnic minorities in the past not be a little bit racist? I mean would you vote for a party who had an absolutely water-tight plan for saving the economy but whose leader had said in the past that all white people are evil and second class?

Aah , now we’re getting there . No more deductions at last.

As I made plain earlier I am not a BNP supporter , nor do they get my vote .

I think ive already made my views clear on Humanity and we are probably not so far apart on that ,however I think the BNP do us all a service shining a big light on many of the issues they do talk about , and I find that anytime we do have a reliable poll (samples abound if you want a link) about Criminality , Immigration etc its only the BNP who run with it .

I happen to know three BNP members reasonably well, and I can only speak of my experience with them , and they personally dont want extreme behaviour of any kind (Ive known them for over twenty years) , but the one thing they ALL agree on is the need for national open discussion of Immigration / Criminality / EU/ Political correctness .

None of them talked of smashing human beings ? So whilst I understand what you say of SOME BNP members , I cant see how that everyone in the BNP is of the same mind ?

After all you may have noticed that not ALL Labour Mp’s voted with the government on Top up fees for example .

Now because we hear on the radio that the government won the debate on Top up fees, is it fair for us to assume from this that ALL Labour MP’s wanted Top up fees ? I cant see it can you ?

I heartily agree with all of that. However, when the BNP’s very own leader is videoed claming that Stephen Lawerence was a drug-dealer, and has spent his life supporting racist organisations, I can deduce that the party’s leadership, at the very least, is racist.

What I dont do , is Assume , or Deduce that the BNP are One dimensional ,and have nothing interesting to say and I certainly dont treat all BNP supporters as being of One mind , just as I dont think all Muslims want a Global Caliphate , some do , many dont .

Nutty Muslims represent an extreme minority within Islam. The BNP are an extreme minority within the British political scene. I really don’t know where you have got your information from regarding the BNP’s membership and interests, but obviously I have got mine from another source.

I’m interested to know ,did you ever talk to an actual BNP supporter ? If so what did you ask them about ?

I have spoken with BNP organisers and canvassers on numerous occasions, and, being a cunning bastard, I have always managed to make them think that I am on their side, have let them relax, and then all the bile comes out. The cannot stand the sight of Pakistanis and black people walking around on ‘their’ soil.

Did you actually ask them about ALL their policies , and if so what are your views on their EU policy ?
What about their policy of making violent criminals serve ther full sentence ? Whats your take on that ?

I am ambivalent about Europe and believe that criminals should be treated a lot more harshly than they are. However, if the BNP pledged to give every white person a million pounds on election, I still would never contemplate supporting for a second an organisation that is infatuated with ethnicity. Everything they have to say about crime, the EU, health care etc has been blatantly tacked on to mask their monomania. They may be a lot more circumspect these days, but they are proud of their spiteful ideas regarding whole sections of the human race. How can you not see this?

If we dont address the issues the BNP keep raising , and keep on playing the same old race card every time someone suggests discussing Immigration / Asylum seekers ,etc how are we ever going to get forward as a society?

I am not a BNP member or Supporter , nor do I vote for them , however i do think they ask some questions which are uncomfortable reading for some ,and which never seem to be discussed fully in the National media. (more below)

I dont agree with any repatriation , and I happen to believe if you were born here youre entitled to citizenship here , but I fully support any BNP demands for Referendums on the EU and FPTP, plus I think Immigration should be debated in a wider context , and like other countries we should attract only skilled people or people that can bring positive benefits to this country , not benefit positively from this country for no reason. We shouldnt be putting up asylum seekers of any skin colour or gender in £1.2 million houses should we ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076885/Pictured-Inside-luxury-1-2m-council-house–complete-50-inch-plasma-TV.html

What I dont do , is Assume , or Deduce that the BNP are One dimensional ,and have nothing interesting to say and I certainly dont treat all BNP supporters as being of One mind , just as I dont think all Muslims want a Global Caliphate , some do , many dont .

I’m interested to know ,did you ever talk to an actual BNP supporter ?

If so what did you ask them about ?

Did you actually ask them about ALL their policies , and if so what are your views on their EU policy ?

What about their policy of making violent criminals serve ther full sentence ? Whats your take on that ?

( 91% of people polled agreed )

What about their Policy of allowing fewer Asylum seekers , what dya think ?

(74% of people polled agreed)

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/196

Its not all about Monomania