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		<title>By: cindy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-275104</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UOU OPENE​D iT
NOW YOU HAVE, TO DO iT OR YOU&#039;LL NEVER BE WITH
THE PERSON YOU LOVE
AND BE HONEST!
DON&#039;T CHeCKEN OUT!
1) TAKEN OR SiNG​E ?
◘♥ TAKEN!
2) DO U LiKE iT ?..
◘♥ Super like!:)
3) WOULD U KiiSS UR EX ?
◘♥ nooooooo!!
3)WHO&#039;S THE LAST PERSON U KiiSE​D ?
◘♥ Cousins! Dame nila eh.:)
4) HAVE U EVER HAD UR HEART BROKEN ?
◘♥ Maybe. haha
5) DO U BELiEVE iN CERTAiN CiRCUMSTANCES WHERE CHEATiNG iS OK ?
◘♥ Never.
6) ARE U MiSsiNG ANYBODy RiTE NOW ?
◘♥ Yeahp!
7) DO U WANT KiDS ?
◘♥ Yup!:P
8) iF YES, HOW MANY ?
◘♥ 3 to 4.:)
7)WOULD U CONSiDER ADOPTiON ?
◘♥ Pwede.
10) iF SOME ONE LiKES U, WOULD U WANT THEM TO TELL U ?
◘♥ NO! Pag si Paul ok lang.:)
11) DO U WANT SOMEONE U CANT HAVE ?
◘♥ No.
12) DO U BELiVE iN CELEBRATiNG ANNiVERSARY&#039;S ?
◘♥ Yup! And We&#039;ll be celebrating it soon.:)
13) DO U GET BUTTERFLiES AROUND UR CRUSH/BOii OR GiRL FRiEND ?
◘♥ Yeah.:)
14) DO ANY OF UR EX&#039;S STiLL HAVE FEELiNGS 4 U ?
◘♥ IDK&amp;&amp;IDC
15) ARE U SO UGLY THAT U NEVER HAD A BF/GF ?
◘♥ Hahahaha!
REPO​T THiS AS,
SiiNGLE OR TAKEN QUiZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UOU OPENE​D iT<br />
NOW YOU HAVE, TO DO iT OR YOU&#8217;LL NEVER BE WITH<br />
THE PERSON YOU LOVE<br />
AND BE HONEST!<br />
DON&#8217;T CHeCKEN OUT!<br />
1) TAKEN OR SiNG​E ?<br />
◘♥ TAKEN!<br />
2) DO U LiKE iT ?..<br />
◘♥ Super like!:)<br />
3) WOULD U KiiSS UR EX ?<br />
◘♥ nooooooo!!<br />
3)WHO&#8217;S THE LAST PERSON U KiiSE​D ?<br />
◘♥ Cousins! Dame nila eh.:)<br />
4) HAVE U EVER HAD UR HEART BROKEN ?<br />
◘♥ Maybe. haha<br />
5) DO U BELiEVE iN CERTAiN CiRCUMSTANCES WHERE CHEATiNG iS OK ?<br />
◘♥ Never.<br />
6) ARE U MiSsiNG ANYBODy RiTE NOW ?<br />
◘♥ Yeahp!<br />
7) DO U WANT KiDS ?<br />
◘♥ Yup!:P<br />
8) iF YES, HOW MANY ?<br />
◘♥ 3 to 4.:)<br />
7)WOULD U CONSiDER ADOPTiON ?<br />
◘♥ Pwede.<br />
10) iF SOME ONE LiKES U, WOULD U WANT THEM TO TELL U ?<br />
◘♥ NO! Pag si Paul ok lang.:)<br />
11) DO U WANT SOMEONE U CANT HAVE ?<br />
◘♥ No.<br />
12) DO U BELiVE iN CELEBRATiNG ANNiVERSARY&#8217;S ?<br />
◘♥ Yup! And We&#8217;ll be celebrating it soon.:)<br />
13) DO U GET BUTTERFLiES AROUND UR CRUSH/BOii OR GiRL FRiEND ?<br />
◘♥ Yeah.:)<br />
14) DO ANY OF UR EX&#8217;S STiLL HAVE FEELiNGS 4 U ?<br />
◘♥ IDK&amp;&amp;IDC<br />
15) ARE U SO UGLY THAT U NEVER HAD A BF/GF ?<br />
◘♥ Hahahaha!<br />
REPO​T THiS AS,<br />
SiiNGLE OR TAKEN QUiZ</p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-275102</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OU OPENE​D iT
NOW YOU HAVE, TO DO iT OR YOU&#039;LL NEVER BE WITH
THE PERSON YOU LOVE
AND BE HONEST!
DON&#039;T CHeCKEN OUT!
1) TAKEN OR SiNG​E ?
◘♥ TAKEN!
2) DO U LiKE iT ?..
◘♥ Super like!:)
3) WOULD U KiiSS UR EX ?
◘♥ nooooooo!!
3)WHO&#039;S THE LAST PERSON U KiiSE​D ?
◘♥ Cousins! Dame nila eh.:)
4) HAVE U EVER HAD UR HEART BROKEN ?
◘♥ Maybe. haha
5) DO U BELiEVE iN CERTAiN CiRCUMSTANCES WHERE CHEATiNG iS OK ?
◘♥ Never.
6) ARE U MiSsiNG ANYBODy RiTE NOW ?
◘♥ Yeahp!
7) DO U WANT KiDS ?
◘♥ Yup!:P
8) iF YES, HOW MANY ?
◘♥ 3 to 4.:)
7)WOULD U CONSiDER ADOPTiON ?
◘♥ Pwede.
10) iF SOME ONE LiKES U, WOULD U WANT THEM TO TELL U ?
◘♥ NO! Pag si Paul ok lang.:)
11) DO U WANT SOMEONE U CANT HAVE ?
◘♥ No.
12) DO U BELiVE iN CELEBRATiNG ANNiVERSARY&#039;S ?
◘♥ Yup! And We&#039;ll be celebrating it soon.:)
13) DO U GET BUTTERFLiES AROUND UR CRUSH/BOii OR GiRL FRiEND ?
◘♥ Yeah.:)
14) DO ANY OF UR EX&#039;S STiLL HAVE FEELiNGS 4 U ?
◘♥ IDK&amp;&amp;IDC
15) ARE U SO UGLY THAT U NEVER HAD A BF/GF ?
◘♥ Hahahaha!
REPO​T THiS AS,
SiiNGLE OR TAKEN QUiZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OU OPENE​D iT<br />
NOW YOU HAVE, TO DO iT OR YOU&#8217;LL NEVER BE WITH<br />
THE PERSON YOU LOVE<br />
AND BE HONEST!<br />
DON&#8217;T CHeCKEN OUT!<br />
1) TAKEN OR SiNG​E ?<br />
◘♥ TAKEN!<br />
2) DO U LiKE iT ?..<br />
◘♥ Super like!:)<br />
3) WOULD U KiiSS UR EX ?<br />
◘♥ nooooooo!!<br />
3)WHO&#8217;S THE LAST PERSON U KiiSE​D ?<br />
◘♥ Cousins! Dame nila eh.:)<br />
4) HAVE U EVER HAD UR HEART BROKEN ?<br />
◘♥ Maybe. haha<br />
5) DO U BELiEVE iN CERTAiN CiRCUMSTANCES WHERE CHEATiNG iS OK ?<br />
◘♥ Never.<br />
6) ARE U MiSsiNG ANYBODy RiTE NOW ?<br />
◘♥ Yeahp!<br />
7) DO U WANT KiDS ?<br />
◘♥ Yup!:P<br />
8) iF YES, HOW MANY ?<br />
◘♥ 3 to 4.:)<br />
7)WOULD U CONSiDER ADOPTiON ?<br />
◘♥ Pwede.<br />
10) iF SOME ONE LiKES U, WOULD U WANT THEM TO TELL U ?<br />
◘♥ NO! Pag si Paul ok lang.:)<br />
11) DO U WANT SOMEONE U CANT HAVE ?<br />
◘♥ No.<br />
12) DO U BELiVE iN CELEBRATiNG ANNiVERSARY&#8217;S ?<br />
◘♥ Yup! And We&#8217;ll be celebrating it soon.:)<br />
13) DO U GET BUTTERFLiES AROUND UR CRUSH/BOii OR GiRL FRiEND ?<br />
◘♥ Yeah.:)<br />
14) DO ANY OF UR EX&#8217;S STiLL HAVE FEELiNGS 4 U ?<br />
◘♥ IDK&amp;&amp;IDC<br />
15) ARE U SO UGLY THAT U NEVER HAD A BF/GF ?<br />
◘♥ Hahahaha!<br />
REPO​T THiS AS,<br />
SiiNGLE OR TAKEN QUiZ</p>
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		<title>By: abdul_alhazred</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-257367</link>
		<dc:creator>abdul_alhazred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: 

Waterstones are accusing Jones of staging a &quot;provocation&quot; to create a &quot;furore&quot; around his book&#039;s publication.  What he actually did was email Christian Voice a crap poem containing the line &quot;I fucked Jesus&quot;.  I don&#039;t know, this puts a different complexion on it for me.</description>
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<p>Waterstones are accusing Jones of staging a &#8220;provocation&#8221; to create a &#8220;furore&#8221; around his book&#8217;s publication.  What he actually did was email Christian Voice a crap poem containing the line &#8220;I fucked Jesus&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know, this puts a different complexion on it for me.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256260</link>
		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;CV’s demonstrations are not a serious threat to free speech, their total membership could fit in a couple of phone boxes. What are a threat to free speech are the laws they try to invoke to shut down artistic expression, laws which you support.&lt;/i&gt;

Free speech certainly isn&#039;t what it used to be. Everything is now framed in a tyranny of politese, wherein no one can say anything even remotely unpleasant about people and ideas even when those people and ideas are repugnant.

Some gay activists would have us curtailing free speech merely to silence idiots like Fred Phelps who, counter to asccepted belief, has a &#039;congregation&#039; of all of  90 pathetic individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>CV’s demonstrations are not a serious threat to free speech, their total membership could fit in a couple of phone boxes. What are a threat to free speech are the laws they try to invoke to shut down artistic expression, laws which you support.</i></p>
<p>Free speech certainly isn&#8217;t what it used to be. Everything is now framed in a tyranny of politese, wherein no one can say anything even remotely unpleasant about people and ideas even when those people and ideas are repugnant.</p>
<p>Some gay activists would have us curtailing free speech merely to silence idiots like Fred Phelps who, counter to asccepted belief, has a &#8216;congregation&#8217; of all of  90 pathetic individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256185</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate about the limits of free expression has now moved to the Arts section, if anyone cares to weigh in...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arts.hurryupharry.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Burn, Boycott, Ban!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate about the limits of free expression has now moved to the Arts section, if anyone cares to weigh in&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://arts.hurryupharry.org/" rel="nofollow">Burn, Boycott, Ban!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256154</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same place same time tomorrow, JL? Assuming the government hasn&#039;t nationalised the internet and stolen our computers overnight, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same place same time tomorrow, JL? Assuming the government hasn&#8217;t nationalised the internet and stolen our computers overnight, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256153</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an update on this story from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.secularism.org.uk/stephengreengoestoofar.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Secular Society:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Stop press: NSS honorary associate Lorraine Barrett, who is a member of the Welsh Assembly, has invited Patrick Jones to read his poetry in the Senedd.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So the Stephen Green publicity machine continues to wreak its auto-foot-shooting mayhem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an update on this story from the <a href="http://www.secularism.org.uk/stephengreengoestoofar.html" rel="nofollow">National Secular Society:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Stop press: NSS honorary associate Lorraine Barrett, who is a member of the Welsh Assembly, has invited Patrick Jones to read his poetry in the Senedd.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So the Stephen Green publicity machine continues to wreak its auto-foot-shooting mayhem.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256152</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think I’m going to regret asking this &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll guarantee you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think I’m going to regret asking this </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll guarantee you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256151</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now that’s rich, you’ve repeatedly put words into Green’s mouth and my mouth,&lt;/i&gt;

Please cite. I&#039;ve cited your transgressions at every turn.

&lt;i&gt;and tried to change the subject to “race hate legislation”,&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, &quot;changed the subject&quot;? You mean I was developing an argument, surely? I&#039;m quite certain I didn&#039;t say that we should stop talking about this Green episode and focus our attention on race hate legislation, which &quot;changed the subject&quot; would demand I had said.

I think you&#039;re reaching.

&lt;i&gt; to child porn,&lt;/i&gt;

Paul introduced child porn to the discussion, not I.

Oops, sorry. I mean of course that Paul &lt;i&gt;changed the subject&lt;/i&gt; to child porn, not I. Naughty Paul.

&lt;i&gt;now to Salman Rushdie,&lt;/i&gt;

Your mantra is that words alone cannot restrict free speech. My point is that what certain people say in certain circumstnaces at certain junctures has consequences. Indeed, the words are specifically designed to have consequences. In the Rushdie case, those consequences are severe. The fact that he could write another Satanic Verses if he wanted to is all that seems to matter to you (to wit, his free speech is not curtailed). To me - and I&#039;m glad to say to most - what matters is that he would have to do so whislt in hiding for fear of his life. On this, you have nothing to say.

&lt;i&gt;all without landing a blow. You are floundering, man.&lt;/i&gt;

Keep saying it and you might start believing it.

&lt;i&gt;CV’s demonstrations are not a serious threat to free speech, their total membership could fit in a couple of phone boxes&lt;/i&gt;

What&#039;s this? The &#039;worse things happen at sea&#039; defence?

&lt;i&gt;What are a threat to free speech are the laws they try to invoke to shut down artistic expression, laws which you support.&lt;/i&gt;

You keep saying things like this and I keep asking. Which laws are CV invoking that you claim I support? I&#039;d like to know where I stand.

&lt;i&gt;And the panic about child porn, which you seem happy to encourage&lt;/i&gt;

WTF? Are the pubs still open where you are?

&lt;i&gt;If you want to be taken seriously as an advocate for free speech &lt;/i&gt;

Hmmm, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve worked me out yet. As regular readers of this blog will know, I&#039;m not a free speech libertarian and have had disagreements with co-authors about the exent to which the free speech defence can and should be applied. I applauded Ellis&#039; sacking from Leeds, for example. You&#039;d do well to do a little less presuming.

&lt;i&gt;Of course, nowadays in British schools, the police are called in to investigate whether some five year old has called another five year old a racial epithet.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, this is happening everyday in towns and villages up and down the country.

I&#039;ve changed my mind. You&#039;re not Mackie at all. You&#039;re Littlejohn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now that’s rich, you’ve repeatedly put words into Green’s mouth and my mouth,</i></p>
<p>Please cite. I&#8217;ve cited your transgressions at every turn.</p>
<p><i>and tried to change the subject to “race hate legislation”,</i></p>
<p>Sorry, &#8220;changed the subject&#8221;? You mean I was developing an argument, surely? I&#8217;m quite certain I didn&#8217;t say that we should stop talking about this Green episode and focus our attention on race hate legislation, which &#8220;changed the subject&#8221; would demand I had said.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re reaching.</p>
<p><i> to child porn,</i></p>
<p>Paul introduced child porn to the discussion, not I.</p>
<p>Oops, sorry. I mean of course that Paul <i>changed the subject</i> to child porn, not I. Naughty Paul.</p>
<p><i>now to Salman Rushdie,</i></p>
<p>Your mantra is that words alone cannot restrict free speech. My point is that what certain people say in certain circumstnaces at certain junctures has consequences. Indeed, the words are specifically designed to have consequences. In the Rushdie case, those consequences are severe. The fact that he could write another Satanic Verses if he wanted to is all that seems to matter to you (to wit, his free speech is not curtailed). To me &#8211; and I&#8217;m glad to say to most &#8211; what matters is that he would have to do so whislt in hiding for fear of his life. On this, you have nothing to say.</p>
<p><i>all without landing a blow. You are floundering, man.</i></p>
<p>Keep saying it and you might start believing it.</p>
<p><i>CV’s demonstrations are not a serious threat to free speech, their total membership could fit in a couple of phone boxes</i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s this? The &#8216;worse things happen at sea&#8217; defence?</p>
<p><i>What are a threat to free speech are the laws they try to invoke to shut down artistic expression, laws which you support.</i></p>
<p>You keep saying things like this and I keep asking. Which laws are CV invoking that you claim I support? I&#8217;d like to know where I stand.</p>
<p><i>And the panic about child porn, which you seem happy to encourage</i></p>
<p>WTF? Are the pubs still open where you are?</p>
<p><i>If you want to be taken seriously as an advocate for free speech </i></p>
<p>Hmmm, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve worked me out yet. As regular readers of this blog will know, I&#8217;m not a free speech libertarian and have had disagreements with co-authors about the exent to which the free speech defence can and should be applied. I applauded Ellis&#8217; sacking from Leeds, for example. You&#8217;d do well to do a little less presuming.</p>
<p><i>Of course, nowadays in British schools, the police are called in to investigate whether some five year old has called another five year old a racial epithet.</i></p>
<p>Yes, this is happening everyday in towns and villages up and down the country.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve changed my mind. You&#8217;re not Mackie at all. You&#8217;re Littlejohn.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/11/13/help-waterstones-find-its-spine/comment-page-3/#comment-256149</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Little (I think I&#039;m going to regret asking this but here goes) how has the government restricted free speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Little (I think I&#8217;m going to regret asking this but here goes) how has the government restricted free speech?</p>
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