Comments on: BNP ‘White History Month’ whitewashes history

By: Patricia Duck

Patricia Duck — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:33:58 +0000

Red History Month is another genious conclusion.American Indians have so much culture and so many tribes and so much supression they need
a month of Recognition .Who Agrees?

By: Ragnar

Ragnar — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:37:41 +0000

Cant wait for the Euro elections when we can at least get some conviction, truthful politicians elected that do not represent their pockets over and above the public!

We need to get rid of the corrupt, Marxist criminals that pass themselves off as representatives of the British public.

“VOTE B.M.P.”

As for those that are too stupid to see the wood for the trees, come the new nationalist government you can set yourselves up in Russia and enjoy all it has to offer. I would even put to the fund to send you there, one way of course!:-)

By: Tecknika

Tecknika — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:36:37 +0000

Over on the Unity antifascist forum Denise Garside of Lancaster Unity rips the BNP’s so called history to shreds. Here’s two samples from a large post:

***The Germanic invaders, the Angles and Saxons, gradually became known as the Anglo-Saxons, and gave their name to what is know modern day England (Angle-land). It was from this time that a legend regarding two dragons, one red representing the Celts and a white one representing the Anglo-Saxons came into being (the red dragon thus becoming the national symbol of Wales).***

There are no records of the Angles and Saxons calling themselves anything other than Angles and Saxons. The Saxons seem to have been quite content to call themselves “English” from early on, and Angles often referred to themselves as “Saxons”.

Now – “Angle-land”. This is not the derivation of “England”. The name is in the genitive plural, meaning “land of the Angles”, that is: Englalond. You could render it literally as “Angles’ Land”, but never Angle-land.

Why our BNP “historian” should regale us with a “legend” of two dragons, one of which represented the Anglo-Saxons, baffles me. In the entire Old English corpus there is no reference to such a legend. Not until Athelstan’s victory at Brunnanburh in 937 can England be said to have become a political entity – and then a tenuous one. Athelstan was Alfred (the Great) of Wessex’s grandson, they being of the House of Cerdic – and the symbol of the House of Cerdic, and thus Wessex, and later England, was the red dragon. This was the standard which flew at Hastings (though King Harold II was not a Cerdicing).

***The Angles were among a number of Nordic Germanic-speaking tribes ***

No! No! No!

The Angles were a West Germanic-speaking tribe. Their neighbours the Danes (and across the water the Swedes and Geats) were North (Nordic) Germanic-speaking. All Germanic peoples who have left traces claim to have originated in Scandinavia. Following southward migration they became differentiated into West- East- and North Germanic speakers. The eastern branch of the language, which included Goth, Vandal and Burgundian, became extinct (Gothic is the only language for which we have vernacular evidence). Some time around the 1st century North Germanic underwent significant sound changes that did not affect the West Germanic branch. It lost the leading “w” sound to many words, for example, which is why we have “Odin” rather than “Wodin”, and certain inflexions (word endings) became simplified – this would later significantly affect the English language and propel it towards its modern form, when Englishman and Dane, using essentially the same words but with different inflected endings, had need to understand one another.

***After invading and settling in England, the Angles set up the kingdoms of the Nord Angeln (North Angles) in what became known as Northumbria, Ost Angeln (East Angles), in what became known as East Anglia, and Mittlere Angelnen (Middle Angles), in what was called Mercia.***

What can one say to this utter nonsense? Does the BNP believe that the Old English gave modern German names to their kingdoms? There is not a shred of evidence of any part of England ever being known as “Nord Angeln”, “Ost Angeln” or the ridiculous “Mittlere Angelnen”.

Our historian also misses on the fact that there was a short-lived kingdom (or more likely alliance of minor kingships) between Mercia and East Anglia called the kingdom of the Middle Angles. Mercia (which is cognate with “march” and “mark”, in the sense of “border”) later came to dominate the Middle Angles. Mercia was quite distinct, and no Mercian ever called himself a “Middle Angle” – he was, quite literally, a “borderer”.

http://unitywebring.com/forum/yabb/YaBB.pl

By: David All

David All — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:55:27 +0000

Is “old whitey” on crack. He needs to cool down before he explodes.

By: Old whitey

Old whitey — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:13:23 +0000

Well, Pat, tell me, is there actually a university at Poplar? Are there any decent schools even? Actually, the whole thing looks like a fantasy from the old Way-of-the-World column conducted by Peter Simple in the Daily Telegraph. I think his university was at Lampton-on-Hoke: its SU was chaired by grenade-draped perpetual student Ken Slabb (38) and its library was perpetually occupied by Aztec protesters who had come over here in stone boats. Perhaps you aren’t real, and perhaps I’m not.
Are you REALLY in the BNP? What about Jonathan Bowden – last time I looked he was their Culture Officer AND he was proudly cracking up his pictures in the SAATCH gallery, showing that the BNP can be quite pro-Jewish when it wants ro be…
Anti-semitism’s a brilliant but unworkable concept, so it doesn’t matter whether you meet it in either the “real” or “virtual” worlds. If you’re a member of the Israeli army who wants to shoot a Palestinian on sight, merely for existing, then you’re an anti-semite. HE’s a Semite: YOU’RE probably a Khazar.
What about the Jews who aligned with the Nazis in WWII? have a look at Leni Brener’s “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators” (slightly tatty pdf. at http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres/LBzad.pdf )
Black History Month? No problem, It can probably be got through in a couple of days. Once you’ve absorbed the fact that the famously affirmative “Roots” book was a scissors-and-paste job for which the supposed author paid dearly in the courts, and that MLK stole his doctoral thesis, and that most of the half-witted Lefty councils that named streets after Winnie Mandela had to rethink all that after she presided over the death of one of her young black sidekicks and that Equino’s famous book is ALSO a bit of a hoax, and that Marcus Garvey dressed up as Napoleon III, and that if a white man copied bits out of MG’s books, merely transposing “black” and “white” and left them about, he’d be put in prison. and that Mugabe turned out not to be not at all the sterling gent. that Carrington had cracked him up to be, it all seems a bit boring and pointless. Still oldMrs Seacole was fun, and deserves the odd “Close” and “Avenue”.
E. Michael Jones of “Culture Wars” wrote a book called “Nigger Hell”: his publisher reproached him with tastelessness, and he suggested “Nigger Heck”
I like BidenMyTime’s analytical sixth sense. Beats me why he needed special training to notice that “and” and “but” have different meanings: note, I used “and” in the previous sentence.
How did I end up here? oh I remember, I wanted to get in touch with my old young friend Pat…Pot…Pet…ZZZZZZZZzzzzzz….

By: David All

David All — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:51:54 +0000

Yes, to roughly paraphrase a modern French philospher, it is those who promise a utopia, a Heaven on Earth, who go on to create a Hell on Earth as a prelude to their Heaven.
I.E., Utopia will come as soon as all the racially inpure, enemies of the working class, etec are killed off.

By: socialrepublican

socialrepublican — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:26:58 +0000

Using Orlando Figes and Anna Applebaum’s figures, the death toll from the ‘hard’ totalitarianism of 1917-53 was somewhere in the region of 15-17 million including the two famines. I’ve read somewhere (believe it was the Mao biography)that excluding the famine plots of Mao, the Communist inflicted death toll in China from the uprising of 1930 to 1979 was about 5-6 million. The famine accounting for 30-40 million. Pol Pot was probably responsible for 2 million from 1975-79. The Nazi program of Vernichtung took 11-12 million with the help of auxillaries (such as the Ustasa and the Romanians) in a period of six years.

Extremity and utopias are the source of this charnal house century, not left or right

By: BidenMyTime

BidenMyTime — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:26:14 +0000

HPBNP, The modern day nazis

Surely, this applies to the Palestinians who aligned with teh Nazis during ww2, who exhibit as much antisemitiosm and Jew-hatred as the Nazis, who’s charters call for teh killing of Jews (like Nazis) and who continually bombard Israel like a blitzkreig.

You have the moral inversion like most antisemitic scum.

BTW – note this from the Palestinian Broadcast service (BBC) – link won’t post

Palestinian militants said they regarded it as an “Israeli aggression” and responded by firing dozens of rockets and mortar shells towards Israeli border towns.

No Israelis have been injured, but the Ministry of Defence took the decision to close most of Gaza’s crossings in response.

Note these comments in response:-

The use of the word “BUT” conveys a bias in this paragraph (trust me, I am someone trained in transformational grammar and linguistics).

It implies that since no Israelis were injured (by the grace of God and taking shelter) then the reporter is indicating that the closure is unjustified in their opinion.

Had the journalist used the word “AND” instead of “BUT” then the sentence becomes a FACT and NOT and OPINION.

What a giveaway!

By: BidenMyTime

BidenMyTime — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:24:54 +0000

HPBNP, The modern day nazis

You have the moral inversion like most antisemitic scum.

BTW – note this from the Plestinian Broadcast service http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7719880.stm

Palestinian militants said they regarded it as an “Israeli aggression” and responded by firing dozens of rockets and mortar shells towards Israeli border towns.

No Israelis have been injured, but the Ministry of Defence took the decision to close most of Gaza’s crossings in response.

Note these comments in response:-

The use of the word “BUT” conveys a bias in this paragraph (trust me, I am someone trained in transformational grammar and linguistics).

It implies that since no Israelis were injured (by the grace of God and taking shelter) then the reporter is indicating that the closure is unjustified in their opinion.

Had the journalist used the word “AND” instead of “BUT” then the sentence becomes a FACT and NOT and OPINION.

What a giveaway!

By: Graham

Graham — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:33:12 +0000

At the ripe old age of 14, I had to choose between Geography and History as exam subject, History lost out.

Well that’s the big problem IMHO Alan (not for yourself obviously but for many people.) If you are froced to abandon history at 14 and have any kind of intelligence at all you will go looking for it later and (possibly) find something like the BNP’s “white history month.” I really think we have to make history a compulsory subject post 14.

On the reform acts I would have to suggest that the 1832 one was the most important event in British history for several reasons (but maybe more on that soon.)