You have reminded me of Prof Moshe Sharon’s seminal address about the agenda of Islam, see:

http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1072264293.php

If I owned a sheep, I expect that my property rights in it would be protected by insurance, a bit like when my wife’s previous car was stolen.

I’m sorry to hear about your elderly parents burglary. Their home is a different matter, because they are upset and angry by the break in and the importance to them of items that don’t have a market value to others. I once wasn’t best pleased by the off-hand attitude of a man who didn’t want to repair my cheap watch; the last present my grandmother gave me.

A few days ago you told me to get out more. My Saturday: local shopping, driving to a tube station I’ve never got out of before, 2 tube trains, annual meeeting of infuential campoaing and research group, 1 tube and one train ride, football match, bus ride to car, drive “little sister substitute” and her six year old nephew home from his first football match because his mum doesn’t want him to go to the fireworks, drive to a different friends house, walk to municipal fireworks in the rain, excellent display, walk back to friends house, party and more fireworks, chat to freinds sister who has come to collect her, go home and fall asleep. Out of the house continously for about 15 hours!

You are absolutely right! There is nothing worse than double standards – a problem we see so often today in so many areas and aspects of life. You, sir, are too kind and look for the best in people. That is a compliment.

In my case, I don’t see jews (or most Western liberals and conservatives) as a direct threat. Yes, they are smart, yes they control a disproportionate share of GNP, etc… but the West has lived with them (poorly, most of the time) for 2000 years.

Islam is a whole different creature. It is something that has happened in the last generation. On top of everything, cirumstances have conspired to make a bad situation worse. Massive immigration of Muslims to the West is a new phenomena that has only occurred in the last generation. Prior to the 1960s when immigrants came from Muslim countries, it was mostly Christians escaping the evils and discrimination they suffered under Islam and Sharia.

Understand also that the rules have changed – 100 years ago a family would move and they had to integrate. Now with multiculturalism, welfare and technology, this is different. A group can live, work, worship and even hate, and live side by side with another group. When people praise past immigration (as in the US or Australia) they are talking about a world that no longer exists. It is like the generals planning for the last war. Things have changed, but the politicians and intellectuals don’t know it.

Welfare now makes immigrants independent of work and responsibility. Multiculturalism makes them immune from OFFICIAL criticism and discourages integration. Political correctness means that and their behavior cannot be criticized. Modern technology means they can live in the West like they never left home (and even eat their favorite Pakistani dishes or watch their favorite Imam in Old Arabia on TV telling them to hate the infidels). It is a whole new world. The effects of globalism, new communication technology and mass migrations are so many and so deep that they are beyond any individual’s understanding. This is a dangerous mixture one day and it will explode. Boom.

Like him or not, a generation ago Enoch Powell saw this coming and our leaders don’t give a damn about the consequences. He was called a bigot and racist, but he was right about the problems that we now see.

On a personal note, I have never been threatened by jews. Sadly I cannot say that about the followers of the so-called “religion of peace.” I have no doubt that if Muslims were in a position of power over non-Muslims, many of us would be oppressed or worse. I am sure this old man would be dead.

I have taken time to learn about Islam; I have taken time to ask Muslims hard questions about their faith, and so I can therefore say with absolute certainty that no Muslim, no matter how kind, sweet or moderate, is honest about the hate and violence that is found in the Quran and ahadith.

Take care and lets see what happens. It is an interesting time to live.

Kactuz

Many are disaffected and receive no guidance about how best to deal with this from their parents, who are themselves confused about where they are situated. This is not comfortable emotionally.

Along comes the likes of Hizb-ut-Tahrir, which smells out and targets that uncertainty in much the same way as do cult recruiters, exaggerates it at first and then seems to provide the complete answer to it. A young Muslim who has hitherto felt all at sea sinks into the spurious certainty offered by their extremism, of a place to belong. These people are Muslims and Muslims are enjoined, after all, to befriend each other.

How can we combat this? Can we force people to feel as if they belong to the wider community if their religion enjoins them to stay apart from it?

Perhaps one way is to bring home to them the cost of staying apart, that they cannot have it both ways, that they cannot claim the benefits of belonging to a democracy if they play no active part in it, no matter how loudly they may shout and stamp their feet.

Another is not to tippy toe around them when they do that.

“Alan Ji: Is it ok if I come to your house and steal all your possessions because the definition of theft predates the universal franchise?”

Not at all. But if I had a sheep and you stole it I would not think that transportation to the colonies or hanging was a proprotionate punishment.

As I write they are discussing Magna Carta on Radio 4. In my copy there is a clause that says no man shall be convicted on a woman’s evidence, unless the charge is murdering her husband. I approve of that one being disposed of.

“I was reasonably encouraged by the stand of the Sufi Muslim Council which certainly was unambiguous in its condemnation of terrorism and extremism”

And writes in comment:

Wink.wink. But did they reject the verses in the Quran that command violence against non-MUslims? Did they condemn the evil acts of Mohammad (ie, the raids and attacks on non-muslims, the plundering of villages, murders, torture, enslavement, rape of women captives, etc.) as described in their own traditions (ahadith)?

No and no.

I don’t believe they are sincere. Muslims cannot be trusted. It is that simple.

MY COMMENT:

True. But I think that is asking too much.

Do Jews condemn the mass murder of the Canaanites? No. And they get very upset if you bring it up.

Do Liberal Christians like it if you bring up the strictures of Jesus and the Apostles against people having sex outside marriage, against gays, divorcees? No. Do they condemn those verses? No.

Do Right Wing Christians like it if you point to the communistic organisation of the early Church and ask why they don’t follow that example? No. Do they condemn the verses? No.

But, point is, most of these people are at peace, sort of, with democracy.

That’s all we are looking for really. An accommodation.

And I am officially prejudiced. I assumed you were not a Jew because of your stupidity (and ignorance of Judaism).

Wink.wink. But did they reject the verses in the Quran that command violence against non-MUslims? Did they condemn the evil acts of Mohammad (ie, the raids and attacks on non-muslims, the plundering of villages, murders, torture, enslavement, rape of women captives, etc.) as described in their own traditions (ahadith)?

No and no.

I don’t believe they are sincere. Muslims cannot be trusted. It is that simple.

Kactuz