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	<title>Comments on: Tony Greenstein, Man of Violence</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246888</link>
		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very sorry to say that, as somebody is repeatedly posting details of spent criminal convictions, I am going to have to close this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sorry to say that, as somebody is repeatedly posting details of spent criminal convictions, I am going to have to close this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246887</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeS says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If I were one of Mikey’s friends, I’d probably advise him to get a new hobby. This current one seems a little peculiar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All I can say in response is that MikeS is not the only person to have said that to me over the years. I will say that by doing so, I have managed to collect a fine collection of contemporary anti-Zionist literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeS says:</p>
<blockquote><p>If I were one of Mikey’s friends, I’d probably advise him to get a new hobby. This current one seems a little peculiar.</p></blockquote>
<p>All I can say in response is that MikeS is not the only person to have said that to me over the years. I will say that by doing so, I have managed to collect a fine collection of contemporary anti-Zionist literature.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246886</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should be grateful if people would stop attacking YossiUK on this thread, it really is not necessary. Many Orthodox Jews see the State of Israel in  a very different light to those of secular Zionist Jews. For anyone interested I suggest the following book:

Harry Rabinowicz, &lt;i&gt;Hasidism and the State of Israel,&lt;/i&gt; (London and Toronto: The  Littman Library of Jewish Civilization, Associated University Presses, Inc., 1982)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should be grateful if people would stop attacking YossiUK on this thread, it really is not necessary. Many Orthodox Jews see the State of Israel in  a very different light to those of secular Zionist Jews. For anyone interested I suggest the following book:</p>
<p>Harry Rabinowicz, <i>Hasidism and the State of Israel,</i> (London and Toronto: The  Littman Library of Jewish Civilization, Associated University Presses, Inc., 1982)</p>
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		<title>By: YossiUK</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246881</link>
		<dc:creator>YossiUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are you saying that the tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph are not part of Eretz Israel?&quot;

I am not saying that at all, I am saying that there is a difference between Eretz Yisroel and Medinat Yisrael. And that just because territory is controlled by or is  part of Medinat Yisrael, it does not mean that such ownership has any halachic validity. And that in order to save lives, ceding Land would be legitimate. 

As for the destination of my contributions, a small list would include;

Yeshivas
Yad Ezra V&#039;Shulamit.
Migdal Ohr.
Zaka.
MDA.

Appeals to help the people of Sderot.

Appeals to support the families of terror victims

Appeals to provide support for Israel&#039;s brave soldiers.

I could go on.

I just mean to stress, that disagreeing with the political ideology of Zionism, and non identification with it&#039;s symbols does not prevent me from aiding and supporting the Jewish community in Eretz Yisroel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you saying that the tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph are not part of Eretz Israel?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not saying that at all, I am saying that there is a difference between Eretz Yisroel and Medinat Yisrael. And that just because territory is controlled by or is  part of Medinat Yisrael, it does not mean that such ownership has any halachic validity. And that in order to save lives, ceding Land would be legitimate. </p>
<p>As for the destination of my contributions, a small list would include;</p>
<p>Yeshivas<br />
Yad Ezra V&#8217;Shulamit.<br />
Migdal Ohr.<br />
Zaka.<br />
MDA.</p>
<p>Appeals to help the people of Sderot.</p>
<p>Appeals to support the families of terror victims</p>
<p>Appeals to provide support for Israel&#8217;s brave soldiers.</p>
<p>I could go on.</p>
<p>I just mean to stress, that disagreeing with the political ideology of Zionism, and non identification with it&#8217;s symbols does not prevent me from aiding and supporting the Jewish community in Eretz Yisroel.</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246879</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is a peculiar thread - but what fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is a peculiar thread &#8211; but what fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246878</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitnaged,

I don&#039;t think we actually disagree ;-)

Whether someone is regarded as mentally ill, or as someone with psychotic episodes, seems to me a matter of nomenclature. Are we not in agreement that such a person is suffering from some sort of disorder? It would then be down to you, as the professional, to decide what to do about him/her (should s/he seek help and should you decide that s/he would benefit from it). That&#039;s all I am saying.

And of course, yes, a person with certain behaviours would be dangerous and must be handled with caution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitnaged,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we actually disagree ;-)</p>
<p>Whether someone is regarded as mentally ill, or as someone with psychotic episodes, seems to me a matter of nomenclature. Are we not in agreement that such a person is suffering from some sort of disorder? It would then be down to you, as the professional, to decide what to do about him/her (should s/he seek help and should you decide that s/he would benefit from it). That&#8217;s all I am saying.</p>
<p>And of course, yes, a person with certain behaviours would be dangerous and must be handled with caution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246877</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a dog in this increasingly peculiar argument, but a former acquaintance of mine who had a worrying fondness for getting into punch-ups swore by the shin-kick as an opening gambit. He claimed it gave him a crucial element of surprise. 

If I were one of Mikey&#039;s friends, I&#039;d probably advise him to get a new hobby. This current one seems a little peculiar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a dog in this increasingly peculiar argument, but a former acquaintance of mine who had a worrying fondness for getting into punch-ups swore by the shin-kick as an opening gambit. He claimed it gave him a crucial element of surprise. </p>
<p>If I were one of Mikey&#8217;s friends, I&#8217;d probably advise him to get a new hobby. This current one seems a little peculiar.</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246876</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;this might not apply if Halachicaly that land is not truly owned by Jews, which might be the case in regards to Israel as it is not a Halachicaly legitimate state&lt;/i&gt;

Are you saying that the tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph are not part of Eretz Israel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>this might not apply if Halachicaly that land is not truly owned by Jews, which might be the case in regards to Israel as it is not a Halachicaly legitimate state</i></p>
<p>Are you saying that the tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph are not part of Eretz Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/25/tony-greenstein-man-of-violence/comment-page-7/#comment-246875</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just quickly:

&lt;i&gt;Jews moan about being persecuted. Speaking on behalf of all Jews are you?&lt;/i&gt;

Were exactly did I use the word &#039;all&#039;, and where exactly did I claim to be &#039;speaking on behalf&#039; of anyone, in any shape or form? I made a factual, historical observation. Are you denying that a great many Jews, over a great many periods of history, have moaned about being persecuted? I am astonished that you deny this simple fact. It can be corroborated quite easily.

It is also a fact that some of those people so moaning, have done nothing practical to prevent that persecution. Sorry, I don&#039;t regard prayer as a practical measure.

Donating financially is great, but you have not specified the destination of those donations. Therefore, I cannot comment on the effectiveness of those donations. You will have gathered by now that I do not regard donations to yeshivas, I mean yeshivas whose members do not serve in the IDF by using various loopholes that I regard as dishonest, as effective in defending the safety of fellow Jews. But if you have hypothecated your donations to (e.g.) MDA, or Va&#039;ad Le-ma&#039;an He-Khayal, that&#039;s a different matter, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just quickly:</p>
<p><i>Jews moan about being persecuted. Speaking on behalf of all Jews are you?</i></p>
<p>Were exactly did I use the word &#8216;all&#8217;, and where exactly did I claim to be &#8217;speaking on behalf&#8217; of anyone, in any shape or form? I made a factual, historical observation. Are you denying that a great many Jews, over a great many periods of history, have moaned about being persecuted? I am astonished that you deny this simple fact. It can be corroborated quite easily.</p>
<p>It is also a fact that some of those people so moaning, have done nothing practical to prevent that persecution. Sorry, I don&#8217;t regard prayer as a practical measure.</p>
<p>Donating financially is great, but you have not specified the destination of those donations. Therefore, I cannot comment on the effectiveness of those donations. You will have gathered by now that I do not regard donations to yeshivas, I mean yeshivas whose members do not serve in the IDF by using various loopholes that I regard as dishonest, as effective in defending the safety of fellow Jews. But if you have hypothecated your donations to (e.g.) MDA, or Va&#8217;ad Le-ma&#8217;an He-Khayal, that&#8217;s a different matter, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: ami</title>
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		<dc:creator>ami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is puzzling that the creepy lot who are locked in tedious and eternal battle with Greenstein, and who sometimes leak onto this site, (I see you have quite rightly deleted the latest) make reference to spent convictions incessantly and with apparent impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is puzzling that the creepy lot who are locked in tedious and eternal battle with Greenstein, and who sometimes leak onto this site, (I see you have quite rightly deleted the latest) make reference to spent convictions incessantly and with apparent impunity.</p>
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