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	<title>Comments on: Press TV: Trying to Hide Wikipedia Holocaust Denial Allegations</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, by all means add Said to that bunch of liars and lunatics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, by all means add Said to that bunch of liars and lunatics.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posts getting removed? TUT TUT TUT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posts getting removed? TUT TUT TUT</p>
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		<title>By: mitnaged</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitnaged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David T, of course opposing things is in my nature (and in my moniker)! However, there sometimes seems so much that cries out to be opposed that there aren&#039;t enough hours in the day!

Having said that, I do take your point - that the more widely such infamy is publicised the less likely it is to take root and spread its poison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David T, of course opposing things is in my nature (and in my moniker)! However, there sometimes seems so much that cries out to be opposed that there aren&#8217;t enough hours in the day!</p>
<p>Having said that, I do take your point &#8211; that the more widely such infamy is publicised the less likely it is to take root and spread its poison.</p>
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		<title>By: Koppers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koppers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just watched &lt;em&gt;Michele Renouf&lt;/em&gt; in this debate, on presstv, I have come to the conclusion that she is completely fucking bonkers.

http://www.presstv.com/pop/wmp.aspx?id=55153</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just watched <em>Michele Renouf</em> in this debate, on presstv, I have come to the conclusion that she is completely fucking bonkers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.presstv.com/pop/wmp.aspx?id=55153" rel="nofollow">http://www.presstv.com/pop/wmp.aspx?id=55153</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oniad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oniad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the case of Galileo is particularly interesting because he challenged the authority not only of the church and the bible, but also of Aristotle. This is an inspiration to me because I find so many authors in political science being treated just like Aristotle was treated when Galileo was a student: their theories treated as unchallengeable dogma…

Indeed! Just think of the adulation accorded to Derrida, let alone Chomsky … ;-(((((

-think about Edward Said&#039;s ideas in ME studies and history studies generally...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the case of Galileo is particularly interesting because he challenged the authority not only of the church and the bible, but also of Aristotle. This is an inspiration to me because I find so many authors in political science being treated just like Aristotle was treated when Galileo was a student: their theories treated as unchallengeable dogma…</p>
<p>Indeed! Just think of the adulation accorded to Derrida, let alone Chomsky … ;-(((((</p>
<p>-think about Edward Said&#8217;s ideas in ME studies and history studies generally&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the case of Galileo is particularly interesting because he challenged the authority not only of the church and the bible, but also of Aristotle. This is an inspiration to me because I find so many authors in political science being treated just like Aristotle was treated when Galileo was a student: their theories treated as unchallengeable dogma…&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed! Just think of the adulation accorded to Derrida, let alone Chomsky ... ;-(((((</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the case of Galileo is particularly interesting because he challenged the authority not only of the church and the bible, but also of Aristotle. This is an inspiration to me because I find so many authors in political science being treated just like Aristotle was treated when Galileo was a student: their theories treated as unchallengeable dogma…</i></p>
<p>Indeed! Just think of the adulation accorded to Derrida, let alone Chomsky &#8230; ;-(((((</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you really want to be sceptical of assertions in a subject (whether astrophysics or Latin poetry) then first you should make an honest (and difficult, time consuming!) effort to acquire knowledge, learn the facts, assimilate the underlying language – whether Latin or maths – and only then your scepticism will be well informed.&quot; – s.o.muffin

Exactly. This is of course my point, which you amplify so well. Readers have to accept that in all texts there will be a bias (and I have worked with scientists who could not agree on very much or for very long). Only by building up some familiarity with the subject can one hope to sive the wayward and at times downright mendacious from broadly accepted facts. Wikipedia&#039;s problem stems from open access and a resulting free for all (and a determined and malicious intent to distort and mislead). But then I suspect any long established library could produce volumes whose authors firmly believed in &#039;subject races&#039;, the innate intellectual inferiority of women, or theories long consigned to the dustbin of history.

I must thank you for your thoughtful, informed response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you really want to be sceptical of assertions in a subject (whether astrophysics or Latin poetry) then first you should make an honest (and difficult, time consuming!) effort to acquire knowledge, learn the facts, assimilate the underlying language – whether Latin or maths – and only then your scepticism will be well informed.&#8221; – s.o.muffin</p>
<p>Exactly. This is of course my point, which you amplify so well. Readers have to accept that in all texts there will be a bias (and I have worked with scientists who could not agree on very much or for very long). Only by building up some familiarity with the subject can one hope to sive the wayward and at times downright mendacious from broadly accepted facts. Wikipedia&#8217;s problem stems from open access and a resulting free for all (and a determined and malicious intent to distort and mislead). But then I suspect any long established library could produce volumes whose authors firmly believed in &#8217;subject races&#8217;, the innate intellectual inferiority of women, or theories long consigned to the dustbin of history.</p>
<p>I must thank you for your thoughtful, informed response.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...attrition, meaning attrition provoked by the air, or as you say, air resistance.  I was pretty good in physics and also in chemistry and biology, but I  learned them in in portuguese and I am already having a hard time finding translations for concepts in political science to be able to focus on physics too.

ABout the portuguese language, I meant non native speakers. It&#039;s amazing how many people I have met who could either speak or at least understand it (thanks mostly to Brazil).

A penedo is a big big big rock. 

Antonio Gedeão was the pseudonym of Romulo de Carvalho, who was a teacher of physics. His most famous poem is &#039;Pedra Filosofal&#039;. Unfortunatelly I can&#039;t find a translation. This is one of the most beautiful poems I know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Gede%C3%A3o
 
(here is a good example of why wikipedia is a success...sorry for the fact that the article is a stub, but that reflects the lack of interest in the portuguese culture and the degree of isolation of the portuguese society where people seem not to realize how important it is to get our voice heard abroad by translation into english what we want to say) 

I appreciate very much the authors that come from the natural sciences but have no problem in diving into literature or the social sciences. Unfortunatelly the opposite is very rare. People from the social sciences tend to be very resistant to making an effort to understand the other fields of knowledge. I know people with PhD who cannot even make a simple mental calculation and that impresses me.

the case of Galileo is particularly interesting because he challenged the authority not only of the church and the bible, but also of Aristotle. This is an inspiration to me because I find so many authors in political science being treated just like Aristotle was treated when Galileo was a student: their theories treated as unchallengeable dogma...

Fabin, hay que ler el poema completo!

sorry for my lousy english and even worse spanish and for my display of ignorance in physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;attrition, meaning attrition provoked by the air, or as you say, air resistance.  I was pretty good in physics and also in chemistry and biology, but I  learned them in in portuguese and I am already having a hard time finding translations for concepts in political science to be able to focus on physics too.</p>
<p>ABout the portuguese language, I meant non native speakers. It&#8217;s amazing how many people I have met who could either speak or at least understand it (thanks mostly to Brazil).</p>
<p>A penedo is a big big big rock. </p>
<p>Antonio Gedeão was the pseudonym of Romulo de Carvalho, who was a teacher of physics. His most famous poem is &#8216;Pedra Filosofal&#8217;. Unfortunatelly I can&#8217;t find a translation. This is one of the most beautiful poems I know.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Gede%C3%A3o" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Gede%C3%A3o</a></p>
<p>(here is a good example of why wikipedia is a success&#8230;sorry for the fact that the article is a stub, but that reflects the lack of interest in the portuguese culture and the degree of isolation of the portuguese society where people seem not to realize how important it is to get our voice heard abroad by translation into english what we want to say) </p>
<p>I appreciate very much the authors that come from the natural sciences but have no problem in diving into literature or the social sciences. Unfortunatelly the opposite is very rare. People from the social sciences tend to be very resistant to making an effort to understand the other fields of knowledge. I know people with PhD who cannot even make a simple mental calculation and that impresses me.</p>
<p>the case of Galileo is particularly interesting because he challenged the authority not only of the church and the bible, but also of Aristotle. This is an inspiration to me because I find so many authors in political science being treated just like Aristotle was treated when Galileo was a student: their theories treated as unchallengeable dogma&#8230;</p>
<p>Fabin, hay que ler el poema completo!</p>
<p>sorry for my lousy english and even worse spanish and for my display of ignorance in physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,
It&#039;s not that coins fall faster (what does attrition have to do with it?), but that feathers encounter air resistance.

I don&#039;t speak Portuguese (of course many people speak it - Brazilians for a start, all 120 (?) million of them), but I tried reading the poem with the help of the start Fabian provided. Didn&#039;t get very far, however linda it is ;-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,<br />
It&#8217;s not that coins fall faster (what does attrition have to do with it?), but that feathers encounter air resistance.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t speak Portuguese (of course many people speak it &#8211; Brazilians for a start, all 120 (?) million of them), but I tried reading the poem with the help of the start Fabian provided. Didn&#8217;t get very far, however linda it is ;-(</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Oxfordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nearly Oxfordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galileo? Oh, didn&#039;t an apple fall on his head?</description>
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