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	<title>Comments on: The better angels of McCain&#8217;s nature</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Holland</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-242318</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A note to Thunderheart:

The true enemies of McCarthyism were always liberals, not Communists.  The neo-McCarthyite smears you posted are completely within that tradition. 

Are you aware that you&#039;re laying it on a little thick when you portray the entire city of Chicago as some sort of evil empire? With respect to this Ayers guy: he&#039;s has been described by prominent Chicago rabbi who lives in the same neighborhood (Hyde Park) as a &quot;toothless former radical&quot;.  For God&#039;s sake, Ayers is a professor at the University of Chicago and the board he was on with Obama was sponsored by a Republican who was a prominent Reagan supporter (Annenberg) and includes many Republicans.  When you (and worse, the McCain campaign) talk about Ayers like he&#039;s bin Laden, it just sounds wacky.  Why do you (or anyone) think this should be the most prominent part of a presidential campaign?

While you are anonymous and can post freely without repercussions, I am amazed that serious politicians and columnists have bought into this smear campaign and repeated scurrilous charges largely originating with charlatans.  They should know better.  It would be in their interest and in the public interest as well for them to correct the record.  Why should we waste our time debating BS when there are real issues requiring real debate. We all share the responsibility to frame that debate properly, regardless of who ultimately wins the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note to Thunderheart:</p>
<p>The true enemies of McCarthyism were always liberals, not Communists.  The neo-McCarthyite smears you posted are completely within that tradition. </p>
<p>Are you aware that you&#8217;re laying it on a little thick when you portray the entire city of Chicago as some sort of evil empire? With respect to this Ayers guy: he&#8217;s has been described by prominent Chicago rabbi who lives in the same neighborhood (Hyde Park) as a &#8220;toothless former radical&#8221;.  For God&#8217;s sake, Ayers is a professor at the University of Chicago and the board he was on with Obama was sponsored by a Republican who was a prominent Reagan supporter (Annenberg) and includes many Republicans.  When you (and worse, the McCain campaign) talk about Ayers like he&#8217;s bin Laden, it just sounds wacky.  Why do you (or anyone) think this should be the most prominent part of a presidential campaign?</p>
<p>While you are anonymous and can post freely without repercussions, I am amazed that serious politicians and columnists have bought into this smear campaign and repeated scurrilous charges largely originating with charlatans.  They should know better.  It would be in their interest and in the public interest as well for them to correct the record.  Why should we waste our time debating BS when there are real issues requiring real debate. We all share the responsibility to frame that debate properly, regardless of who ultimately wins the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Holland</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-242297</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Kristol&#039;s recent criticism of McCain&#039;s campaign actually provided a great opportunity for damage control.  The campaign spokesmen should have said Kristol was right: that the candidate is better than the campaign.  Instead, the top two campaign spokesmen chose to defend the campaign instead of the candidate.  What a bonehead, tone deaf move.  They are oblivious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Kristol&#8217;s recent criticism of McCain&#8217;s campaign actually provided a great opportunity for damage control.  The campaign spokesmen should have said Kristol was right: that the candidate is better than the campaign.  Instead, the top two campaign spokesmen chose to defend the campaign instead of the candidate.  What a bonehead, tone deaf move.  They are oblivious.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Moloney</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-241826</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Moloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thunderheart seems to be a member of a group called &quot;Concerned Democrats for McCain&quot;. A name that conjures up an image of Joe Lieberman, alone, in a run-down motel bedroom. Crying.

P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thunderheart seems to be a member of a group called &#8220;Concerned Democrats for McCain&#8221;. A name that conjures up an image of Joe Lieberman, alone, in a run-down motel bedroom. Crying.</p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thunderheart: that’s the unfortunate reality I see with Mr. Obama. 

Because if you squint really hard then you&#039;ll see a &quot;reality&quot; that allows you to find reasons not to support Mr Obama. You might be indeed be a Democrat and a liberal but you seem to be viewing the thing through the prism of an unrelenting and deep-seated aversion to Obama that is more common to the extremist right. 

Your portrayal of the Kenyan political situation (where, let us remember an election was blatantly rigged for reasons of tribalism and corruption) is an utter travesty. And yet you seem utterly fixated on the chimera of Odinga as some sort of Islamist neo-Nazi (which is itself a not very subtle way of smearing Obama by association). For crying out loud, Odinga was associated with Liberal International rather than the far-right. 

http://www.liberal-international.org/newsletter.asp?ia_id=1464#anchor1075

If you&#039;ve been misled, I suggest you look into some more balanced accounts of what happened there (and I apologise if my tone seems a little brusque); if you are trying to mislead others, you probably want to make your talking points at least vaguely plausible (and I&#039;m being far more polite than you deserve). 

I&#039;d also guess that Obama moved to Chicago to teach at the really rather well known school law school there rather than because he was dying to rub shoulders with a bunch of shady Democratic politicians.

As for his  association with Ayers - it seems pretty tenuous unless you are desperate to pin some sort of dirt, anything, on Obama. Which leaves us with Wright. There&#039;s questions to be asked there, for sure, but I&#039;m afraid someone who is either badly misinformed, or trying to peddle a noxious sort of misinformation, is not the person to ask them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thunderheart: that’s the unfortunate reality I see with Mr. Obama. </p>
<p>Because if you squint really hard then you&#8217;ll see a &#8220;reality&#8221; that allows you to find reasons not to support Mr Obama. You might be indeed be a Democrat and a liberal but you seem to be viewing the thing through the prism of an unrelenting and deep-seated aversion to Obama that is more common to the extremist right. </p>
<p>Your portrayal of the Kenyan political situation (where, let us remember an election was blatantly rigged for reasons of tribalism and corruption) is an utter travesty. And yet you seem utterly fixated on the chimera of Odinga as some sort of Islamist neo-Nazi (which is itself a not very subtle way of smearing Obama by association). For crying out loud, Odinga was associated with Liberal International rather than the far-right. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.liberal-international.org/newsletter.asp?ia_id=1464#anchor1075" rel="nofollow">http://www.liberal-international.org/newsletter.asp?ia_id=1464#anchor1075</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been misled, I suggest you look into some more balanced accounts of what happened there (and I apologise if my tone seems a little brusque); if you are trying to mislead others, you probably want to make your talking points at least vaguely plausible (and I&#8217;m being far more polite than you deserve). </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also guess that Obama moved to Chicago to teach at the really rather well known school law school there rather than because he was dying to rub shoulders with a bunch of shady Democratic politicians.</p>
<p>As for his  association with Ayers &#8211; it seems pretty tenuous unless you are desperate to pin some sort of dirt, anything, on Obama. Which leaves us with Wright. There&#8217;s questions to be asked there, for sure, but I&#8217;m afraid someone who is either badly misinformed, or trying to peddle a noxious sort of misinformation, is not the person to ask them.</p>
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		<title>By: lasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>lasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2iufUU1f4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Knew It Was Coming All Along&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2iufUU1f4" rel="nofollow">Obama Knew It Was Coming All Along</a></p>
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		<title>By: G.</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-241748</link>
		<dc:creator>G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people just don&#039;t like it up &#039;em
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people just don&#8217;t like it up &#8216;em<br />
<a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/</a></p>
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		<title>By: King Creole</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Creole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen how tight your trousers are Wardy.  You were showing leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen how tight your trousers are Wardy.  You were showing leg.</p>
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		<title>By: wardytron</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-241705</link>
		<dc:creator>wardytron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But does Oliver Kamm leer????&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Or dribble???&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve met Kammo and can confirm that on that occasion he did neither, although to be fair I was quite modestly dressed, and who knows what might have happened if I was showing a bit of leg?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But does Oliver Kamm leer????</i></p>
<p><i>Or dribble???</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met Kammo and can confirm that on that occasion he did neither, although to be fair I was quite modestly dressed, and who knows what might have happened if I was showing a bit of leg?</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Macpherson</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-241685</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Macpherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think that the way they dress has any real bearing on their decisions Alec.&lt;/blockquote&lt;

When they play the fauxialist by night attacking real Leftists online, and then dress as a highly paid corporate headhunter by day, yes it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think that the way they dress has any real bearing on their decisions Alec.&lt;/blockquote&lt;</p>
<p>When they play the fauxialist by night attacking real Leftists online, and then dress as a highly paid corporate headhunter by day, yes it does.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Clap Hammer</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/10/10/the-better-angels-of-mccains-nature/comment-page-2/#comment-241679</link>
		<dc:creator>Clap Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin  &lt;i&gt;What an unkind way to describe HP guru Oliver Kamm, even if he did write in 2005:&lt;/i&gt;

Ah.

But does Oliver Kamm leer????

Or dribble???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin  <i>What an unkind way to describe HP guru Oliver Kamm, even if he did write in 2005:</i></p>
<p>Ah.</p>
<p>But does Oliver Kamm leer????</p>
<p>Or dribble???</p>
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