Comments on: Conspiracy Theorist?

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:51:40 +0000

Mike S screeches about me:
you really are the biggest tosser ever to have posted here

Mike S screeches about me:
when you come onto this blog, and advance a substantive point, … rather than just chuck around insults at anyone who doesn’t share your worldview

Shame you don’t have mirrors in your house.

By: Mike S

Mike S — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:01:31 +0000

Nearly Oxfordian, I look forward to the day when you come onto this blog, and advance a substantive point, or even say something humorous, rather than just chuck around insults at anyone who doesn’t share your worldview. I fear that day isn’t imminent.
Have a lovely morning.

By: Roger

Roger — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:18:28 +0000

“Note: the CIA does NOT operate independently of the US Govt. CIA may undertake operations that contradict the Public position of the US Govt., but in support of Secret US Govt. objectives.”
Sorry, I should have said that C.I.A. members have operated independently of the U.S. government. They have also undertaken operations that actively damaged the U.S. government in the long term as well as contradicting its public position, so there’s ne reason to think they were fulfilling any US government objectives, unless “Secret US Govt.” refers to a secret U.S. government rather than the open U.S. government’s secret objectives.

By: David All

David All — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:09:09 +0000

If I recall correctly, in the early 1970s, the Italian Govt. dissolved the Military Intelligence Service (SIM) because its commander and senior officers were plotting to overthrow the Italian Republic in favor of a military junta like that of the Greek Colonels. Given that and, as Roger stated, the frequent turnover of Italian Govts, it is likely that the control of Italian politicians over Italian Intelligence Agencies were, and perhaps are, more nominal then real.

Note: the CIA does NOT operate independently of the US Govt. CIA may undertake operations that contradict the Public position of the US Govt., but in support of Secret US Govt. objectives.

2nd Note: Gladio was, I believe, the name of the short sword carried by Roman Legionaires to be used in hand-to-hand combat. It was also used by Roman assasains including the Conspirators led by Crassius and Brutus who murdered Julius Caesar in the Roman Senate. (And we think modern day politics are nasty!)

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:17:09 +0000

Do you always mumble nonsense to yourself, Mike S?

By: Roger

Roger — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:42:20 +0000

It was not only the Italian government that was involved. Someone mentioned above that the C.I.A. were often working independently of the U.S. government; the Italian government had even less control of their own intelligence services- which included neo-fascists- and possibly palaeo-fascists- and their policies. It’s been suggested that there was involvement in or knowledge of the Bologna bombing by elements of the Italian intelligence services, but what kind and at what level is disputed.
Given the turnover of Italian P.M.s, how far were policies determined by the intelligence services and presented to the politicians? How far were the policies presented to the politicians laundered compared with the actual policies put into practise?

By: Yaniv

Yaniv — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:22:47 +0000

Here is a link to an 24/08/08 article in “Makor Rishon” which is a right wing publication in Hebrew.

http://www.makor1.co.il/makor/Article.faces;jsessionid=3edb07f230d5f12e0bea57964a49a5febc61516758bc.e34Mc3aTbNiTby0LaxmNbxqRchmMe0?articleId=33749&channel=1&subchannel=2

The author is Meir Uziel, who had been the manager of the Jewish agency in Italy between 86-89. Uziel quotes an article of Cossiga in Corierre della Sera saying the same things he said to Yediot Achronot. According to Uziel (who quotes someone named Reivman) he is saying that since 2004, and nobody in Italy cares. Perhaps nobody really believes him.

Uziel quotes a senior Mossad agent who told him that he does not believe that the Italians had approved the PLO to hold huge arsenal of
weaponry (definitely not heavy artillery), but he believes that they allowed them a certain amount of freedom, in return for safety for Italian citizens. Back in August Cossiga did not say this, and the story about an agreement which allowed the attack on a Jewish synagogue isn’t mentioned. In my opinion it appears to be a hoax – these Jews were Italian citizens and it is very unlikely that someone has agreed to abandon their safety.

By: Mike S

Mike S — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:44:01 +0000

Do you shout at people at bus-stops too?

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:27:19 +0000

Ahhh, good to see that the idiot impersonating me was just Fabian; I had been worried that it might have been someone I took seriously

Calling Fabian of all people an idiot is simply yet more proof, if any were remotely needed, that you are a brain-dead asshole.

By: Nearly Oxfordian

Nearly Oxfordian — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:24:22 +0000

For this I’m accused of antisemitism.

Only “Nearly Oxfordian” has the power to unmask antisemitism that latent.

I could answer that if I had the slightest idea what you are ranting about.