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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: hasan prishtina</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-2/#comment-230000</link>
		<dc:creator>hasan prishtina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t know how socialism would solve the underlying problems that consumers face with inflation.&lt;/i&gt;

It can&#039;t. That&#039;s why socialists tend to stay very quiet about inflation and ignore its effect as a tax on the poor. Vide Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe, etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t know how socialism would solve the underlying problems that consumers face with inflation.</i></p>
<p>It can&#8217;t. That&#8217;s why socialists tend to stay very quiet about inflation and ignore its effect as a tax on the poor. Vide Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe, etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: lasse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-2/#comment-229583</link>
		<dc:creator>lasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/business/13mail.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Silence of the Lenders: Is Anyone Listening?&lt;/a&gt;
Mr. Bailey had spent the previous six months unsuccessfully lobbying Countrywide, at the time the nation’s largest home lender and loan servicer.
…
Angelo R. Mozilo, Countrywide’s co-founder and chief executive. Lo and behold, Mr. Mozilo replied — inadvertently, as it turned out.

“This is unbelievable,” Mr. Mozilo said in his message. “Most of these letters now have the same wording. Obviously they are being counseled by some other person or by the Internet. Disgusting.” …

Guess isn’t so easy to negotiate if you’re an ordinary wage earner a couple of pay checks away from the street, as I f you’re name is Donald Trump. Sort of telling the lads at the bank, 50 cent on the dollar is the best I can offer you and then I’m really stretching it.

“In California, an epicenter of the mortgage crisis, only 1.3 percent of loan modifications struck between January and May this year involved a reduction of principal, according to the state’s Department of Corporations.”

It would be interesting to see figures how house prize/cost relative mean or median real income have developed over a longer time. I have some memory of some graph that the relation had been stable until the 90’s despite business cycles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/business/13mail.html" rel="nofollow">Silence of the Lenders: Is Anyone Listening?</a><br />
Mr. Bailey had spent the previous six months unsuccessfully lobbying Countrywide, at the time the nation’s largest home lender and loan servicer.<br />
…<br />
Angelo R. Mozilo, Countrywide’s co-founder and chief executive. Lo and behold, Mr. Mozilo replied — inadvertently, as it turned out.</p>
<p>“This is unbelievable,” Mr. Mozilo said in his message. “Most of these letters now have the same wording. Obviously they are being counseled by some other person or by the Internet. Disgusting.” …</p>
<p>Guess isn’t so easy to negotiate if you’re an ordinary wage earner a couple of pay checks away from the street, as I f you’re name is Donald Trump. Sort of telling the lads at the bank, 50 cent on the dollar is the best I can offer you and then I’m really stretching it.</p>
<p>“In California, an epicenter of the mortgage crisis, only 1.3 percent of loan modifications struck between January and May this year involved a reduction of principal, according to the state’s Department of Corporations.”</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see figures how house prize/cost relative mean or median real income have developed over a longer time. I have some memory of some graph that the relation had been stable until the 90’s despite business cycles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-2/#comment-229554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What say our pro-”free market” readers about the Bush administration’s unwillingness to let that market work its magic in the case of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac&quot;

Well, I&#039;m not exactly one of your pro-free-market readers, Gene, but the explanation is this: the Fed has to try to balance the need to prevent bankruptcies that are likely to have a catastrophic impact on the financial system as a whole against the need to let banks undergo the consequences of the risks they have taken, as part of the markets&#039; alleged &quot;self-correcting&quot; mechanisms. In short, some institutions must be punished so as to condition the behaviour of the others, but, if possible, the financial authorities would like this to be done with the least possible impact on American home-owners and consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What say our pro-”free market” readers about the Bush administration’s unwillingness to let that market work its magic in the case of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m not exactly one of your pro-free-market readers, Gene, but the explanation is this: the Fed has to try to balance the need to prevent bankruptcies that are likely to have a catastrophic impact on the financial system as a whole against the need to let banks undergo the consequences of the risks they have taken, as part of the markets&#8217; alleged &#8220;self-correcting&#8221; mechanisms. In short, some institutions must be punished so as to condition the behaviour of the others, but, if possible, the financial authorities would like this to be done with the least possible impact on American home-owners and consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: lasse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-2/#comment-229542</link>
		<dc:creator>lasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Obama might have to thread careful in the mortgage quagmire.

“James A. Johnson ran Fannie for most of the 1990s and was its main lobbyist. Until June he headed Barack Obama’s vice-presidential search team, but resigned when it was revealed that he got mortgages on unrealistically favorable terms from Angelo Mozilo’s notorious Countrywide Financial. FNMA’s former head, Franklin D. Raines, was President Clinton’s budget chief. He was forced to step down when serious accounting problems were discovered. Other Fannie apparatchiks include Jamie Gorelick, former Clinton deputy attorney general, and Thomas E. Donilon, Clinton chief of staff to the secretary of state.“

Total outstanding home mortgages in the US stood at $1.82 trillion 1987 when Greenspan did become FED boss. 2005 it was $8.821 trillion to day it is $12 trillion?

1987 to 2005 the housing stock increased by 100% while outstanding mortgages increased by more than 400%, cpi did rise 72%. There seems to have been some asset inflation or as mr Greenspan characterised it “&lt;i&gt;wealth&lt;/i&gt; creation”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Obama might have to thread careful in the mortgage quagmire.</p>
<p>“James A. Johnson ran Fannie for most of the 1990s and was its main lobbyist. Until June he headed Barack Obama’s vice-presidential search team, but resigned when it was revealed that he got mortgages on unrealistically favorable terms from Angelo Mozilo’s notorious Countrywide Financial. FNMA’s former head, Franklin D. Raines, was President Clinton’s budget chief. He was forced to step down when serious accounting problems were discovered. Other Fannie apparatchiks include Jamie Gorelick, former Clinton deputy attorney general, and Thomas E. Donilon, Clinton chief of staff to the secretary of state.“</p>
<p>Total outstanding home mortgages in the US stood at $1.82 trillion 1987 when Greenspan did become FED boss. 2005 it was $8.821 trillion to day it is $12 trillion?</p>
<p>1987 to 2005 the housing stock increased by 100% while outstanding mortgages increased by more than 400%, cpi did rise 72%. There seems to have been some asset inflation or as mr Greenspan characterised it “<i>wealth</i> creation”.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-1/#comment-229471</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the Nikkei is down 1000 points by the end of the session.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Asian markets were closed yesterday so there was always going to be a bit of catch up; two down days rolled into one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Asian markets were closed yesterday so there was always going to be a bit of catch up; two down days rolled into one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-1/#comment-229468</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also oil is down to $91 a barrel.</description>
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		<title>By: M.B.</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/15/mixed-message/comment-page-1/#comment-229466</link>
		<dc:creator>M.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s 22:30 EDT - the Heng Seng is down 6.67%, the Nikkei is down 5.06%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 22:30 EDT &#8211; the Heng Seng is down 6.67%, the Nikkei is down 5.06%</p>
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		<title>By: M.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David All @ 1:22 am

There is Medicaid for the out of work.  Social Security and Medicare for the retired.  

In the 30s, the Federal WPA built great public works projects.  Bridges and dams that are now crumbling.  If the worst happens there is much work to do.</description>
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<p>There is Medicaid for the out of work.  Social Security and Medicare for the retired.  </p>
<p>In the 30s, the Federal WPA built great public works projects.  Bridges and dams that are now crumbling.  If the worst happens there is much work to do.</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
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		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Alan Greenspan on TV earlier today say that this is &quot;once in a century crisis&quot;. He is wrong, it is a once in 79 years crisis, i.e. first time since 1929. Hopefully, whatever crash we are in for now, will not be like it was then, but it may be the roughest since the Great Depression. In any case, to get yourself in the mood:

&quot;Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?&quot; by Harburg Gorney (1931)

&quot;They used to tell me I was building a dream, 
 and so I followed the mob,
 When there was earth to plow or guns to bear,
 I was always there right on the job.
 They used to tell me I was building a dream, 
 with peace and glory ahead,
 Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?

 Once I built a railroad, I made it run, 
 made it race against time.   
 Once I built a railroad; now its done. 
 Brother, can you spare a dime?&quot;

For the entire song, go to http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/cherries.html

One thing this crunch should do is expose the hollowness of John (I voted with Geroge Bush 95% of the time) McCain&#039;s claims to be a candidate of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Alan Greenspan on TV earlier today say that this is &#8220;once in a century crisis&#8221;. He is wrong, it is a once in 79 years crisis, i.e. first time since 1929. Hopefully, whatever crash we are in for now, will not be like it was then, but it may be the roughest since the Great Depression. In any case, to get yourself in the mood:</p>
<p>&#8220;Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?&#8221; by Harburg Gorney (1931)</p>
<p>&#8220;They used to tell me I was building a dream,<br />
 and so I followed the mob,<br />
 When there was earth to plow or guns to bear,<br />
 I was always there right on the job.<br />
 They used to tell me I was building a dream,<br />
 with peace and glory ahead,<br />
 Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?</p>
<p> Once I built a railroad, I made it run,<br />
 made it race against time.<br />
 Once I built a railroad; now its done.<br />
 Brother, can you spare a dime?&#8221;</p>
<p>For the entire song, go to <a href="http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/cherries.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/cherries.html</a></p>
<p>One thing this crunch should do is expose the hollowness of John (I voted with Geroge Bush 95% of the time) McCain&#8217;s claims to be a candidate of change.</p>
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