Comments on: The Harry’s Place Big Day Out http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Thu, 24 May 2012 10:57:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223994 Mark Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:55:40 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223994 According to AFP yesterday, the arab residents of Umm-al-Fahm in Israel are objecting to a planned rally in their town by the Kach movement, and are 'threatening to stop it,violently if necessary'. I take it that all those posters on this thread planning on attending the 'Big Day Out' or reminiscing fondly about the events in 1936, are in solidarity with the residents of Umm-al- Fahm ? According to AFP yesterday, the arab residents of Umm-al-Fahm in Israel are objecting to a planned rally in their town by the Kach movement, and are ‘threatening to stop it,violently if necessary’.
I take it that all those posters on this thread planning on attending the ‘Big Day Out’ or reminiscing fondly about the events in 1936, are in solidarity with the residents of Umm-al- Fahm ?

]]> By: David Rosenberg http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223766 David Rosenberg Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:57:31 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223766 Between the fattists and the fascists it seems rude to interrupt. Incidentally, Mike, one of the leaders of the aforementioned rent strikes was a CP activist known as "Tubby" Rosen (no relation?). No doubt in Weiss's rather small and narrow world, another fallen hero. On one of the other threads today Weiss claims that his dad was West Ham supporter. I don't often pray but, please god, don't let him be my son, A shlemiel, shmegegge and a nar like that I wouldn't want to be anywhere near, let alone related to, if I could possibly help it. Between the fattists and the fascists it seems rude to interrupt. Incidentally, Mike, one of the leaders of the aforementioned rent strikes was a CP activist known as “Tubby” Rosen (no relation?). No doubt in Weiss’s rather small and narrow world, another fallen hero. On one of the other threads today Weiss claims that his dad was West Ham supporter. I don’t often pray but, please god, don’t let him be my son, A shlemiel, shmegegge and a nar like that I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near, let alone related to, if I could possibly help it.

]]> By: Michael Rosen http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223726 Michael Rosen Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:23:43 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223726 People like my parents were attacked by Mosleyite/fascist gangs. In Spain, an elected socialist government was attacked by Franco's/fascist gangs. In Germany, Hitler's/fascists were in power and had already put into place the raft of anti-trade union, anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-Jewish legislation. The British government appeared to be siding with Germany on this matter. Mosley announced that he would march through the East End of London which at that time, within a few streets (including Cable Street) was a largely Jewish area. Yes, many of the people who opposed all these actions by fascists at home and abroad were Communists. No one else was. The Labour Party nationally wasn't though of course small sections of it were. Mosely was conducting a campaign against 'Jewish' landlords (as if there weren't any other landlords) and it would only be the CP organised rent strikes by largely Jewish tenants against the supposedly all-Jewish landlords that helped break the neck of that particular fascist bogeyman. My mother would say, many years after, yes, we did find out that Stalin was a disaster and we were wrong to believe in him but who else could we turn to in the thirties? No one else was doing it for us. And at the time, we couldn't believe that our enemy could be right about what had happened in Russia. We thought, she said, that they were making it up to discredit us. And by the way, I had no idea that I shouldn't think Dave Rosenberg should be taken seriously because someone on 'decent' , hyper-critical, HP says that he's 'fat'. I must write to him immediately and say that he's a fool. Dear Dave, A wise poster on HP says you're fat. Please consider our friendship terminated. I have lost all respect for you. Michael People like my parents were attacked by Mosleyite/fascist gangs. In Spain, an elected socialist government was attacked by Franco’s/fascist gangs. In Germany, Hitler’s/fascists were in power and had already put into place the raft of anti-trade union, anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-Jewish legislation. The British government appeared to be siding with Germany on this matter. Mosley announced that he would march through the East End of London which at that time, within a few streets (including Cable Street) was a largely Jewish area. Yes, many of the people who opposed all these actions by fascists at home and abroad were Communists. No one else was. The Labour Party nationally wasn’t though of course small sections of it were. Mosely was conducting a campaign against ‘Jewish’ landlords (as if there weren’t any other landlords) and it would only be the CP organised rent strikes by largely Jewish tenants against the supposedly all-Jewish landlords that helped break the neck of that particular fascist bogeyman.

My mother would say, many years after, yes, we did find out that Stalin was a disaster and we were wrong to believe in him but who else could we turn to in the thirties? No one else was doing it for us. And at the time, we couldn’t believe that our enemy could be right about what had happened in Russia. We thought, she said, that they were making it up to discredit us.

And by the way, I had no idea that I shouldn’t think Dave Rosenberg should be taken seriously because someone on ‘decent’ , hyper-critical, HP says that he’s ‘fat’. I must write to him immediately and say that he’s a fool. Dear Dave, A wise poster on HP says you’re fat. Please consider our friendship terminated. I have lost all respect for you. Michael

]]> By: Weiss http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223572 Weiss Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:44:06 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223572 well - it was a demonstration, intended to stop the BUF entering the area, as a result of which large numbers of pro-Stalin people of various ethnic origins spent the day trying to injure police officers. The CP then invented a strange mythology according to which the BUF, having been instructed by the police not to enter the area, shrivelled up and blew away as a political force. This is nonsense and 'magical thinking', as a moment's serious thought on the matter will make clear. It wasnt a 'battle' as silly sausages like you would know if you had been in a real battle. Regarding the fat jokes, I'm sorry, and I understand your annoyance. I just find fat boy Rosenberg hilarious. Cant help it. well – it was a demonstration, intended to stop the BUF entering the area, as a result of which large numbers of pro-Stalin people of various ethnic origins spent the day trying to injure police officers. The CP then invented a strange mythology according to which the BUF, having been instructed by the police not to enter the area, shrivelled up and blew away as a political force. This is nonsense and ‘magical thinking’, as a moment’s serious thought on the matter will make clear. It wasnt a ‘battle’ as silly sausages like you would know if you had been in a real battle.

Regarding the fat jokes, I’m sorry, and I understand your annoyance. I just find fat boy Rosenberg hilarious. Cant help it.

]]> By: Reuben http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223553 Reuben Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:15:33 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223553 Weiss, I believe, represents the necessary downside of openness and inclusivity on the internet. It is unfortunate that people who are adults, and who wish to discuss anti-fascism in the past and present, have to share a virtual space with somebody who wishes to make fat jokes characteristic of an 8 year old. Weiss is probably one of those losers you meet in real life who assert that 'school days are the best days of your life'. The apex of his days were probably playing tag and engaging in childish playground banter. Needless to say his assertion that the battle of cable street was simply a demo followed by good pr is simply rubbish. As Martin Pugh (a decidedly non-cmmunist historian who doubts the efficacy of anti-fascist actions at cable street) wrote of the event: '50,000 people had gathered to prevent the entry of the march into the east end, and between 100,000 and 300,000 waited on the route. Barricades were erected across cable street and police made repeated baton charges to try to clear a route.' Weiss, I believe, represents the necessary downside of openness and inclusivity on the internet. It is unfortunate that people who are adults, and who wish to discuss anti-fascism in the past and present, have to share a virtual space with somebody who wishes to make fat jokes characteristic of an 8 year old. Weiss is probably one of those losers you meet in real life who assert that ’school days are the best days of your life’. The apex of his days were probably playing tag and engaging in childish playground banter.

Needless to say his assertion that the battle of cable street was simply a demo followed by good pr is simply rubbish. As Martin Pugh (a decidedly non-cmmunist historian who doubts the efficacy of anti-fascist actions at cable street) wrote of the event: ‘50,000 people had gathered to prevent the entry of the march into the east end, and between 100,000 and 300,000 waited on the route. Barricades were erected across cable street and police made repeated baton charges to try to clear a route.’

]]> By: Jonathan Hoffman http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223519 Jonathan Hoffman Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:16:36 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223519 This is a good place to plug Clive Bettington and JEECS who do a fantastic job http://www.jeecs.org.uk/ This is a good place to plug Clive Bettington and JEECS who do a fantastic job

http://www.jeecs.org.uk/

]]> By: Terry Smith http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223500 Terry Smith Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:17:26 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223500 Crap. 99 % of these 'anti-fascists' would lead a howling mob to your front door if you were politically incorrect enough to ring their little Pavlovian bells. They're trained idiots, with no regard for personal liberty or free speech, except when it suits their agenda. Crap.

99 % of these ‘anti-fascists’ would lead a howling mob to your front door if you were politically incorrect enough to ring their little Pavlovian bells.

They’re trained idiots, with no regard for personal liberty or free speech, except when it suits their agenda.

]]> By: M o r g o t h http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223486 M o r g o t h Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:52:38 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223486 Is your grand day out gonna end up with a trip to Nandos? Is your grand day out gonna end up with a trip to Nandos?

]]> By: Weiss http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223460 Weiss Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:17:28 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223460 - oh, and to Richard Farnos - shouldnt that be 'Fuck off, Zionist cunt. All the best! Richard Farnos.' I mean, cant one rely on anything in this mixed up crazy world anyomore?? - oh, and to Richard Farnos – shouldnt that be

‘Fuck off, Zionist cunt.

All the best!

Richard Farnos.’

I mean, cant one rely on anything in this mixed up crazy world anyomore??

]]> By: Weiss http://hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/comment-page-2/#comment-223457 Weiss Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:12:52 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/09/03/the-harrys-place-big-day-out/#comment-223457 um, well, not exactly.... um, well, not exactly….

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