Comments on: McCain and Georgia http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:23:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: lpcn http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-218519 lpcn Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:05:30 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-218519 No idea who the hell 'Old Labour' is, or why s/he is using a link to our website, but s/he has no connection to marxist.org.uk. No idea who the hell ‘Old Labour’ is, or why s/he is using a link to our website, but s/he has no connection to marxist.org.uk.

]]> By: Graham http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216843 Graham Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:38:38 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216843 See 2 and 3 David... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hun See 2 and 3 David…

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hun

]]> By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216303 David All Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:23:23 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216303 Morgoth, the Orange Sashes refer to what's worn by the Northern Irish Protestants who are members of the dominate Orange Order. Do not however get the joke. Morgoth, the Orange Sashes refer to what’s worn by the Northern Irish Protestants who are members of the dominate Orange Order.
Do not however get the joke.

]]> By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216152 David All Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:40:01 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216152 Herr Ribbentrop says to forget about the old borders of Czechslovakia. The Sudentenland belongs to the Reich! Seig Heil! Actually Czar Vladimir's foreign minister says to forget about Georgia's old borders. Abkhazia and South Ossertia belongs to Mother Russia. Meantime Russian troops and their South Ossertian militia allies advance deeper into Georgia. See "Russia:Forget about Georgia's Old Borders" at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/14/world/main4349687.shtml Herr Ribbentrop says to forget about the old borders of Czechslovakia. The Sudentenland belongs to the Reich! Seig Heil!

Actually Czar Vladimir’s foreign minister says to forget about Georgia’s old borders. Abkhazia and South Ossertia belongs to Mother Russia. Meantime Russian troops and their South Ossertian militia allies advance deeper into Georgia. See “Russia:Forget about Georgia’s Old Borders” at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/14/world/main4349687.shtml

]]> By: M o r g o t h http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216106 M o r g o t h Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:02:28 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216106 <i>a council of Huns</i> I must have missed the Orange Sashes draped over the Kremlin then. (a joke that possibly only Ven and myself will ever get) a council of Huns

I must have missed the Orange Sashes draped over the Kremlin then.

(a joke that possibly only Ven and myself will ever get)

]]> By: John P. http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216096 John P. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:37:00 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216096 <i>The essential feature of a democracy is that you really can change the government, that there is free debate and there is a free vote. None of these apply in Putin’s Russia.</i> Your points are well taken and you are quite correct. But is democracy universal, in that ALL peoples desire it as the highest political ideal? The probleme with Russia is that its political culture and its populace worship order, social order, social and political stability, over and above all else. That is their 'democratic' ideal. Russian politics revolves around an order/chaos equation. Whoever manages to IMPOSE order, even ruthlessly, is considered a good leader. Russia's culture may be deeply european, having its origins in the Roman/Byzantine world, but its politics and its political culture are clearly asian. Putin's inner circle may be composed of blond, blue-eyed europeans, but to judge by its tone, its tactics and its objectives, it is nonetheless, and I say this without any malice or bigotry, <b>a council of Huns</b> The essential feature of a democracy is that you really can change the government, that there is free debate and there is a free vote. None of these apply in Putin’s Russia.

Your points are well taken and you are quite correct.

But is democracy universal, in that ALL peoples desire it as the highest political ideal?

The probleme with Russia is that its political culture and its populace worship order, social order, social and political stability, over and above all else.

That is their ‘democratic’ ideal.

Russian politics revolves around an order/chaos equation. Whoever manages to IMPOSE order, even ruthlessly, is considered a good leader.

Russia’s culture may be deeply european, having its origins in the Roman/Byzantine world, but its politics and its political culture are clearly asian.

Putin’s inner circle may be composed of blond, blue-eyed europeans, but to judge by its tone, its tactics and its objectives, it is nonetheless, and I say this without any malice or bigotry, a council of Huns

]]> By: Steve E. http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216084 Steve E. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:56:00 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216084 Don't know if anyone else has posted this yet, but it seems that an American journalist who visited South Ossetia in May of this year discovered the real reason for Shameless Milne's kneejerk defence of Russia's neo-colonial act of aggression. Fascinating reading it makes too (hat-tip – Michael J Totten) http://www.slate.com/id/2191588/entry/2191589/ Don’t know if anyone else has posted this yet, but it seems that an American journalist who visited South Ossetia in May of this year discovered the real reason for Shameless Milne’s kneejerk defence of Russia’s neo-colonial act of aggression.

Fascinating reading it makes too (hat-tip – Michael J Totten)

http://www.slate.com/id/2191588/entry/2191589/

]]> By: Mrs Ben http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-3/#comment-216077 Mrs Ben Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:20:05 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216077 Just watched Al-Jeezeera live video footage (with a Scottish reporter) of the Russians still in Georgian territory (Gori and on road to Tiblisi )- contrary to Russian claims that they have withdrawn. See it here http://news.google.co.uk/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn Just watched Al-Jeezeera live video footage (with a Scottish reporter) of the Russians still in Georgian territory (Gori and on road to Tiblisi )- contrary to Russian claims that they have withdrawn. See it here

http://news.google.co.uk/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn

]]> By: Danish Cartoonist http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-2/#comment-216074 Danish Cartoonist Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:07:07 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216074 I'll admit that Gene's post is not as twisted as some of Andrew Sullivan's recent posts. To read him you'd be forgiven for thinking <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/mccain-in-the-r.html" rel="nofollow">it was McCain who invaded Georgia</a>. And Russia, he writes, is <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/getting-another.html" rel="nofollow">not a global expansionist power anymore</a>. How big does it have to be to qualify as global? And why is global a relevant test? And how the hell is Russia's action not expansionist? I’ll admit that Gene’s post is not as twisted as some of Andrew Sullivan’s recent posts. To read him you’d be forgiven for thinking it was McCain who invaded Georgia. And Russia, he writes, is not a global expansionist power anymore. How big does it have to be to qualify as global? And why is global a relevant test? And how the hell is Russia’s action not expansionist?

]]> By: Venichka http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/comment-page-2/#comment-216072 Venichka Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:53:12 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/12/mccain-and-georgia/#comment-216072 These two sources georgiamfa.blogspot.com/ and civilgeorgia.blogspot.com/ (particularly the latter: its by an organization that has a good record in monitoring elections in Georgia, and is far from syncophantically pro-government) strongly suggest that Russian troops are still in Georgia at the moment These two sources
georgiamfa.blogspot.com/
and
civilgeorgia.blogspot.com/

(particularly the latter: its by an organization that has a good record in monitoring elections in Georgia, and is far from syncophantically pro-government)

strongly suggest that Russian troops are still in Georgia at the moment

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