Comments on: “Within 20 Years Muslims Will become the Majority in Europe” http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:42:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Joshua Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-5/#comment-216311 Joshua Scholar Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:09:07 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-216311 You may have a point since Islam is the only socially acceptable way to blame everything on the Jews, and I know an "explanation for the whole world" that appeals to European taste. You may have a point since Islam is the only socially acceptable way to blame everything on the Jews, and I know an “explanation for the whole world” that appeals to European taste.

]]> By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-5/#comment-216283 David All Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:22:09 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-216283 Joshua Scholar, I am sorry to disagree with you on this since we usually are on the same side. I also hope that we can disagree without being disagreeable. I repeat what I said above, many Europeans for both political and religious reasons may find Islam to be the strength they do not find elsewhere in modern Europe. Joshua Scholar, I am sorry to disagree with you on this since we usually are on the same side. I also hope that we can disagree without being disagreeable. I repeat what I said above, many Europeans for both political and religious reasons may find Islam to be the strength they do not find elsewhere in modern Europe.

]]> By: Joshua Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-5/#comment-215482 Joshua Scholar Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:04:49 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215482 <i>The debate on this thread between Dan and Joshua Scholar has unfortunately become one of the blind argueing with the deaf.</i> <i>And more broadly Islam might well appeal to many Europeans who may be seriously looking for something to belong that is firm and committed to its beliefs and has a belief system that explains the whole world or appears to.</i> Thanks for adding the point of view of the stupid to the mix. The debate on this thread between Dan and Joshua Scholar has unfortunately become one of the blind argueing with the deaf.

And more broadly Islam might well appeal to many Europeans who may be seriously looking for something to belong that is firm and committed to its beliefs and has a belief system that explains the whole world or appears to.

Thanks for adding the point of view of the stupid to the mix.

]]> By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-5/#comment-215472 David All Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:20:07 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215472 The debate on this thread between Dan and Joshua Scholar has unfortunately become one of the blind argueing with the deaf. The debate on this thread between Dan and Joshua Scholar has unfortunately become one of the blind argueing with the deaf.

]]> By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-5/#comment-215471 David All Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:17:44 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215471 In all this talk about whether or not Islam or parts of it are a threat or if Muslims are going to bred their way to a majority, no one seems to have considered the possibility that white Europeans, over the next generation or so, might convert to Islam in significant numbers. After all, Islamic extremism already has gathered much support from both left & right wing extremists with its hatred of both America and Israel. And more broadly Islam might well appeal to many Europeans who may be seriously looking for something to belong that is firm and committed to its beliefs and has a belief system that explains the whole world or appears to. Given that large numbers of Europeans have in the past have followed either fascism or communism, Islam's potential appeal should not be underestimated. In all this talk about whether or not Islam or parts of it are a threat or if Muslims are going to bred their way to a majority, no one seems to have considered the possibility that white Europeans, over the next generation or so, might convert to Islam in significant numbers. After all, Islamic extremism already has gathered much support from both left & right wing extremists with its hatred of both America and Israel. And more broadly Islam might well appeal to many Europeans who may be seriously looking for something to belong that is firm and committed to its beliefs and has a belief system that explains the whole world or appears to. Given that large numbers of Europeans have in the past have followed either fascism or communism, Islam’s potential appeal should not be
underestimated.

]]> By: Joshua Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-4/#comment-215455 Joshua Scholar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:42:38 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215455 Anyway SocialRepublican, it isn't any different to ask a Jew to have a kind word for the rapist of Mediana than for Hitler. The crime is the same, except that Hitler didn't institutionalize rape and slavery of women and children. Anyway SocialRepublican, it isn’t any different to ask a Jew to have a kind word for the rapist of Mediana than for Hitler. The crime is the same, except that Hitler didn’t institutionalize rape and slavery of women and children.

]]> By: Joshua Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-4/#comment-215416 Joshua Scholar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:21:47 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215416 *denial of all human rights.. *denial of all human rights..

]]> By: Joshua Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-4/#comment-215415 Joshua Scholar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:21:03 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215415 SR, it was Dan who brought up barricades with, <i>"If a group of people want to believe in a global Caliphate then let them and you have the right to oppose it and challenge it. But the day the government makes such a belief into a thoughtcrime is the day that I will be on the same side of the barricades as the Islamists"</i> - a sentiment that should not be shared by anyone who thinks that government should have the consent of the governed, that violent revolution isn't a good option and that oppression of all human rights is a poor idea. SR, it was Dan who brought up barricades with, “If a group of people want to believe in a global Caliphate then let them and you have the right to oppose it and challenge it. But the day the government makes such a belief into a thoughtcrime is the day that I will be on the same side of the barricades as the Islamists” – a sentiment that should not be shared by anyone who thinks that government should have the consent of the governed, that violent revolution isn’t a good option and that oppression of all human rights is a poor idea.

]]> By: socialrepublican http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-4/#comment-215390 socialrepublican Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:22:19 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215390 'You might as well insist that any Jew who can’t name something good about Auschwitz is too biased to be listened to.' Now that what I call rhetorical bullshit. Plus the barrigades thing, old but gold as I have heard uttered. Well done penitence can be secular you know, especially given your statement 'You might want to get to know some ex-Muslims like I have. Then perhaps you’ll learn something of darkness that you were so fortunate to have missed'. There is a Russian Proverb, 'Don't fear the law, fear the Judges'. ‘You might as well insist that any Jew who can’t name something good about Auschwitz is too biased to be listened to.’

Now that what I call rhetorical bullshit. Plus the barrigades thing, old but gold as I have heard uttered.

Well done

penitence can be secular you know, especially given your statement ‘You might want to get to know some ex-Muslims like I have. Then perhaps you’ll learn something of darkness that you were so fortunate to have missed’.

There is a Russian Proverb, ‘Don’t fear the law, fear the Judges’.

]]> By: Joshua Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/comment-page-4/#comment-215141 Joshua Scholar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:27:34 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/08/06/within-20-years-muslims-will-become-the-majority-in-europe/#comment-215141 Also I am certainly not prejudiced. I did not <i>prejudge</i> Islam harshly. My original, ignorant position was the default left one, that Muslims are innocent victims the world over... Then I got to know them better. It was knowledge and experience that brought me to this point, not assumptions. Also I am certainly not prejudiced. I did not prejudge Islam harshly. My original, ignorant position was the default left one, that Muslims are innocent victims the world over… Then I got to know them better.

It was knowledge and experience that brought me to this point, not assumptions.

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