Comments on: The Socialist Workers’ Party Turns Poetry Critic http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Thu, 24 May 2012 08:58:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Self Prostate Massage Orgasm http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-278881 Self Prostate Massage Orgasm Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:20:16 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-278881 Nice post. Some interesting points there. Keep up the good work with your blog it's excellent. Nice post. Some interesting points there. Keep up the good work with your blog it’s excellent.

]]> By: Harry Zevenbergen http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-210865 Harry Zevenbergen Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:30:45 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-210865 I once was a Trotskyist for a minute or less it took my breath away in a bad way I was born in the Dutch bible-belt and it was the same fundamentalist religious smell only without a God they lack humour, self mockery and the will to really learn something new that doesn´t fit in their dogmatic worldview still being on the far left it´s always easy to get stuck in my own dogmas but when I realise I do I only have to think of God, Marx and Trotsky to turn and leave that deadendstreet and pick up a poetrycollection by Kevin Higgins Brendan Kennelly or some dutch poet no one knows on this site by the way a good poem Kevin! I once was a Trotskyist for a minute or less
it took my breath away in a bad way
I was born in the Dutch bible-belt
and it was the same fundamentalist religious smell
only without a God
they lack humour, self mockery
and the will to really learn something new
that doesn´t fit in their dogmatic worldview
still being on the far left it´s always easy
to get stuck in my own dogmas
but when I realise I do I only
have to think of God, Marx and Trotsky
to turn and leave that deadendstreet
and pick up a poetrycollection by Kevin Higgins
Brendan Kennelly or some dutch poet
no one knows on this site

by the way a good poem Kevin!

]]> By: Monty http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-210199 Monty Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:39:45 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-210199 "I think one of the points SWP was making, legitimately or not, is that the so called ‘Arabs’ in the conflict are themselves black and of east African descent " Now please do tell me again about how, in islam, that is an irrelevant pile of poopy pants, because all are muslims are equal in the sight of allah? “I think one of the points SWP was making, legitimately or not, is that the so called ‘Arabs’ in the conflict are themselves black and of east African descent ”

Now please do tell me again about how, in islam, that is an irrelevant pile of poopy pants, because all are muslims are equal in the sight of allah?

]]> By: Ex Militant http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209690 Ex Militant Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:45:46 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209690 More poems by Higgins http://www.versedaily.org/2007/aboutkevinhigginsv.shtml More poems by Higgins http://www.versedaily.org/2007/aboutkevinhigginsv.shtml

]]> By: Oniad http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209687 Oniad Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:32:33 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209687 I doubt the possibility of an alliance with the Lefebvrists. I doubt the possibility of an alliance with the Lefebvrists.

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209681 Zkharya Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:08:10 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209681 Thanks for that post, Ami. I think one of the points SWP was making, legitimately or not, is that the so called 'Arabs' in the conflict are themselves black and of east African descent as much as Arab. But those who chanted those words, whether they be representative or not of Sudanes 'Arabs', do not seem to have thought of themselves as black. Thanks for that post, Ami. I think one of the points SWP was making, legitimately or not, is that the so called ‘Arabs’ in the conflict are themselves black and of east African descent as much as Arab. But those who chanted those words, whether they be representative or not of Sudanes ‘Arabs’, do not seem to have thought of themselves as black.

]]> By: Abdul Alhazred http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209649 Abdul Alhazred Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:24:12 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209649 It's good to hear from a Trot who has come to his senses. The SWP's reply provides a startlingly accurate and honest self-portrayal, inadvertently damning themselves even more soundly than Higgins himself could. Required reading! The Socialist Worker review section was ever good for a laugh. Of course, the "quality" of poetry or any other artform rests for them on how closely it toes the party line, or can be twisted to do so. A memorable review of a Neil Young album explained how the grungemaster's "discordant guitar solos" depicted "the chaos of life under capitalism". Chuckles are undercut by the creepy realisation that, come the glorious day, discordant guitar solos will become counter-revolutionary and any proles caught still listening to Neil Young albums will be under suspicion... It’s good to hear from a Trot who has come to his senses.

The SWP’s reply provides a startlingly accurate and honest self-portrayal, inadvertently damning themselves even more soundly than Higgins himself could. Required reading!

The Socialist Worker review section was ever good for a laugh. Of course, the “quality” of poetry or any other artform rests for them on how closely it toes the party line, or can be twisted to do so. A memorable review of a Neil Young album explained how the grungemaster’s “discordant guitar solos” depicted “the chaos of life under capitalism”.

Chuckles are undercut by the creepy realisation that, come the glorious day, discordant guitar solos will become counter-revolutionary and any proles caught still listening to Neil Young albums will be under suspicion…

]]> By: ami http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209621 ami Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:04:24 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209621 Here is some more "poetry" for resistor and SWP people in denial about the Arab/Black dimension: The account of a Zaghawa doctor who tended to the raped girls and then was raped herself. No doubt it is all lies. And when I passed my exams as one of the top five students for the whole of Darfur — a black Zaghawa girl from the bush beating every Arab girl in my school — he had suggested I go to university to train to be a medical doctor. You are black slaves! You are worse than dogs! Either we kill you or we give you Arab children. Then there will be no more black slaves in this country.’ Next time, we will show no mercy. Leave this land. Sudan is for the Arabs. It is not for black dogs and slaves’.” As they got closer I could make out the Arabic phrases that they were chanting. “Kill the black slaves! Kill the black slaves!” “Kill the black donkeys!” “Kill the black dogs!” “Kill the black monkeys!” http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article4362968.ece Here is some more “poetry” for resistor and SWP people in denial about the Arab/Black dimension: The account of a Zaghawa doctor who tended to the raped girls and then was raped herself. No doubt it is all lies.

And when I passed my exams as one of the top five students for the whole of Darfur — a black Zaghawa girl from the bush beating every Arab girl in my school — he had suggested I go to university to train to be a medical doctor.

You are black slaves! You are worse than dogs! Either we kill you or we give you Arab children. Then there will be no more black slaves in this country.’

Next time, we will show no mercy. Leave this land. Sudan is for the Arabs. It is not for black dogs and slaves’.”

As they got closer I could make out the Arabic phrases that they were chanting.

“Kill the black slaves! Kill the black slaves!”

“Kill the black donkeys!”

“Kill the black dogs!”

“Kill the black monkeys!”

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article4362968.ece

]]> By: Greg http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209549 Greg Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:13:16 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209549 <i>The Darfuris are the Palestinians of Africa</i> I hardly think so. The Palestinians are the largest recipients of aid in the world and have uncritical support at the UN where Arab countries block vote to ensure the Human Rights Council has its gun-sights permanently on Israel. They, uniquely in the Arab world, have an elected government and before 2000 had the fasted growing Arab economy. The Dafuris, on the other hand, are being slaughtered by the thousand (what's the latest body count? 200,000? 300,000?) if not raped and maimed first. By Arab militia. The Darfuris are the Palestinians of Africa

I hardly think so. The Palestinians are the largest recipients of aid in the world and have uncritical support at the UN where Arab countries block vote to ensure the Human Rights Council has its gun-sights permanently on Israel. They, uniquely in the Arab world, have an elected government and before 2000 had the fasted growing Arab economy.

The Dafuris, on the other hand, are being slaughtered by the thousand (what’s the latest body count? 200,000? 300,000?) if not raped and maimed first. By Arab militia.

]]> By: Andy Newman http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-209544 Andy Newman Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:08:08 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/07/22/the-socialist-workers-party-turns-poetry-critic/#comment-209544 I think this line is brilliant: "Maybe Higgins had an unhappy childhood in Militant, or maybe he would have been better off if he had found masturbation. " This is clearly an excellent diplmatic gambit to launch as they try to cuddle up with the Socialist party in Ireland, who used to be ....err ... the Militant. I think this line is brilliant:

“Maybe Higgins had an unhappy childhood in Militant, or maybe he would have been better off if he had found masturbation. ”

This is clearly an excellent diplmatic gambit to launch as they try to cuddle up with the Socialist party in Ireland, who used to be ….err … the Militant.

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