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	<title>Comments on: Everything that&#8217;s wrong with the &#8220;anti-imperialist&#8221; Left, in one paragraph</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Zkharya</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/09/everything-thats-wrong-with-the-anti-imperialist-left-in-one-paragraph/comment-page-3/#comment-205845</link>
		<dc:creator>Zkharya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin,

Chavez said that the descendants of the crucifiers of Christ are stealing the wealth of the world. That is not the statement of someone who, in the final analysis, is friendly to Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin,</p>
<p>Chavez said that the descendants of the crucifiers of Christ are stealing the wealth of the world. That is not the statement of someone who, in the final analysis, is friendly to Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
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		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David All,

this type of issue is a litmus test for people&#039;s political and social ethics and how people react to the facts tells you a lot about their underlying attitudes

you&#039;ll notice that whilst Zin didn&#039;t lie about the issue, he didn&#039;t deal with it directly, despite his &lt;i&gt;&quot;I&#039;m Jewish&quot;&lt;i&gt;  statement, he&#039;s not terribly concerned about racial attacks on Jews or synagogues and that says a lot about him, and his politics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David All,</p>
<p>this type of issue is a litmus test for people&#8217;s political and social ethics and how people react to the facts tells you a lot about their underlying attitudes</p>
<p>you&#8217;ll notice that whilst Zin didn&#8217;t lie about the issue, he didn&#8217;t deal with it directly, despite his <i>&#8220;I&#8217;m Jewish&#8221;</i><i>  statement, he&#8217;s not terribly concerned about racial attacks on Jews or synagogues and that says a lot about him, and his politics</i></p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
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		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Modernity.  Those were awfully interesting articles you linked to. It is good to remember how easily anti-Zionism slips into anti-Semitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Modernity.  Those were awfully interesting articles you linked to. It is good to remember how easily anti-Zionism slips into anti-Semitism.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
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		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Zin? I forgot your &quot;anti-racism&quot; bypass, very common amongst certain types of Stalinists?

still you have the reading material, make of it what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Zin? I forgot your &#8220;anti-racism&#8221; bypass, very common amongst certain types of Stalinists?</p>
<p>still you have the reading material, make of it what you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot about your humour bypass operation. My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot about your humour bypass operation. My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
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		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and in Poland, from 1988:

&quot; LEAD: Poland will soon acknowledge &#039;&#039;political error&#039;&#039; in 1967-68, when thousands of Jews were purged from the Communist Party, according to a scholar who said he was conveying a message from the Polish leader.

Poland will soon acknowledge &#039;&#039;political error&#039;&#039; in 1967-68, when thousands of Jews were purged from the Communist Party, according to a scholar who said he was conveying a message from the Polish leader.

The scholar, Jozef Gierowski, who heads the Research Center of Jewish History at the Jagiellonian University in Cracow, delivered the message here at a dinner Thursday that wrapped up an international conference on the history and culture of Polish Jews. &quot;

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4D6143DF935A35751C0A96E948260

&quot;State prosecutors in Poland are launching an investigation against members of Poland&#039;s ex-Communist Party on suspicion of inciting anti-Semitimism that led to an exodus of Polish Jews in the late 1960s, a state institute said Saturday.

&quot;In light of gathered documentation, there is no doubting the fact that at the beginning of 1967, central Communist Party authorities started calling for hatred ... directed against people of Jewish descent, and the operation then moved to the local level, setting in across the country,&quot; the institute stated.

According to the statement, more than 11,000 Jews applied for immigration papers during the anti-Semitic purge, a dramatic increase from the early 1960s. &quot;

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Briefs/11775.htm

&quot;THE 1968 STATE SPONSORED anti-Zionist campaign in Poland demonstrates how easily anti-Zionist rhetoric slips into open antisemitism. It is also a striking example of how a supposedly internationalist anti-imperialist movement is prone to hateful manipulation that, in fact, has very little to do with the Middle East.

The language and imagery adopted at that time resurfaces regularly with that utilized by contemporary antisemites. The notion of &quot;Zionism&quot; loses almost all its original meaning, becoming a politically acceptable synonym for all things Jewish. According to this schema, which is strongly rooted in traditional antisemitism, the &quot;Zionists&quot; are accused of conspiring across borders for the benefit of Israel and its US imperial ally, to the detriment of the local population, most notably through their control of the international media. The actions of &quot;Zionists&quot; are frequently compared and equaled to those of the Nazis and, thus conceived, &quot;Zionism&quot; emerges as a purely evil phenomenon akin to historical Nazism. &quot;

http://z-word.com/z-word-essays/when-%25E2%2580%2598zionist%25E2%2580%2599-meant-%25E2%2580%2598jew%25E2%2580%2599%253A-revisiting-the-1968-events-in-poland.html?print</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and in Poland, from 1988:</p>
<p>&#8221; LEAD: Poland will soon acknowledge &#8221;political error&#8221; in 1967-68, when thousands of Jews were purged from the Communist Party, according to a scholar who said he was conveying a message from the Polish leader.</p>
<p>Poland will soon acknowledge &#8221;political error&#8221; in 1967-68, when thousands of Jews were purged from the Communist Party, according to a scholar who said he was conveying a message from the Polish leader.</p>
<p>The scholar, Jozef Gierowski, who heads the Research Center of Jewish History at the Jagiellonian University in Cracow, delivered the message here at a dinner Thursday that wrapped up an international conference on the history and culture of Polish Jews. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4D6143DF935A35751C0A96E948260" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4D6143DF935A35751C0A96E948260</a></p>
<p>&#8220;State prosecutors in Poland are launching an investigation against members of Poland&#8217;s ex-Communist Party on suspicion of inciting anti-Semitimism that led to an exodus of Polish Jews in the late 1960s, a state institute said Saturday.</p>
<p>&#8220;In light of gathered documentation, there is no doubting the fact that at the beginning of 1967, central Communist Party authorities started calling for hatred &#8230; directed against people of Jewish descent, and the operation then moved to the local level, setting in across the country,&#8221; the institute stated.</p>
<p>According to the statement, more than 11,000 Jews applied for immigration papers during the anti-Semitic purge, a dramatic increase from the early 1960s. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Briefs/11775.htm" rel="nofollow">http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Briefs/11775.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;THE 1968 STATE SPONSORED anti-Zionist campaign in Poland demonstrates how easily anti-Zionist rhetoric slips into open antisemitism. It is also a striking example of how a supposedly internationalist anti-imperialist movement is prone to hateful manipulation that, in fact, has very little to do with the Middle East.</p>
<p>The language and imagery adopted at that time resurfaces regularly with that utilized by contemporary antisemites. The notion of &#8220;Zionism&#8221; loses almost all its original meaning, becoming a politically acceptable synonym for all things Jewish. According to this schema, which is strongly rooted in traditional antisemitism, the &#8220;Zionists&#8221; are accused of conspiring across borders for the benefit of Israel and its US imperial ally, to the detriment of the local population, most notably through their control of the international media. The actions of &#8220;Zionists&#8221; are frequently compared and equaled to those of the Nazis and, thus conceived, &#8220;Zionism&#8221; emerges as a purely evil phenomenon akin to historical Nazism. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://z-word.com/z-word-essays/when-%25E2%2580%2598zionist%25E2%2580%2599-meant-%25E2%2580%2598jew%25E2%2580%2599%253A-revisiting-the-1968-events-in-poland.html?print" rel="nofollow">http://z-word.com/z-word-essays/when-%25E2%2580%2598zionist%25E2%2580%2599-meant-%25E2%2580%2598jew%25E2%2580%2599%253A-revisiting-the-1968-events-in-poland.html?print</a></p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
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		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin wrote:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;What Doctors plot? The McCanns? And I don’t read Cosmopolitan or follow their campaigns, so I’ve no friggin idea what your banging on about.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

a typically dense Stalinist? anyone else would have used google but not you

the Doctors Plot was yet another antisemitic incident in your beloved Soviet Union and the rootless cosmopolitans campaign was a purge of Jews in the Eastern Bloc, incidentally fronted by some compliant &quot;Jews&quot; (presumably working on the mindless premise, that it couldn&#039;t be antisemitic if Jews were participating or fronting it?)

Zin, for an individual who was many years in the Communist Party you seem ignorant of basic Soviet history, which is all the more peculiar given your privileged education?

 so why not avail yourself of the Internet and read up on these subjects

but in the spirit of education (realising that you probably find google difficult to use), here&#039;s a few links:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;THE YEARS FOLLOWING THE VICTORY over Nazi Germany are marked by a wave of Russian nationalism and the anti-Western campaigns of the emerging Cold War. Soviet policy makers, and Stalin in particular, harbor a growing suspicion about the loyalty of Soviet Jews, many of whom have relatives in the United States, now the enemy.

The mysterious murder of Solomon Mikhoels in Minsk on January 13, 1948, is an ominous sign. The same year, an increasing number of articles in the press accuse so-called &quot;rootless cosmopolitans&quot; of &quot;demolishing national pride,&quot; &quot;harboring anti-patriotic views&quot; and &quot;fawning on the West.&quot; More and more the attacks take on an anti-Jewish character, as most of the attacked bear distinctly Jewish names, often given in brackets next to their Russified names.

From November 1948 onward, the Soviet authorities start a deliberate campaign to liquidate what is left of Jewish culture. The Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee is dissolved, its members arrested. Jewish literature is removed from bookshops and libraries, and the last two Jewish schools are closed. Jewish theaters, choirs and drama groups, amateur as well as professional, are dissolved. Hundreds of Jewish authors, artists, actors and journalists are arrested. During the same period, Jews are systematically dismissed from leading positions in many sectors of society, from the administration, the army, the press, the universities and the legal system. Twenty-five of the leading Jewish writers arrested in 1948 are secretly executed in Lubianka prison in August 1952.

The anti-Jewish campaign culminates in the arrest, announced on January 13, 1953, of a group of &quot;Saboteurs-Doctors&quot; accused of being paid agents of Jewish-Zionists organizations&quot; and of planning to poison Soviet leaders. Fears spread in the Jewish community that these arrests and the show trial that is bound to follow will serve as a pretext for the deportation of Jews to Siberia. But on March 5, 1953, Stalin unexpectedly dies. The &quot;Doctor&#039;s Plot &quot; is exposed as a fraud, the accused are released, and deportation plans, already discussed in the Politburo, are dropped.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/62.html

also, see http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/325/7378/1487.pdf

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/egorov.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;What Doctors plot? The McCanns? And I don’t read Cosmopolitan or follow their campaigns, so I’ve no friggin idea what your banging on about.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>a typically dense Stalinist? anyone else would have used google but not you</p>
<p>the Doctors Plot was yet another antisemitic incident in your beloved Soviet Union and the rootless cosmopolitans campaign was a purge of Jews in the Eastern Bloc, incidentally fronted by some compliant &#8220;Jews&#8221; (presumably working on the mindless premise, that it couldn&#8217;t be antisemitic if Jews were participating or fronting it?)</p>
<p>Zin, for an individual who was many years in the Communist Party you seem ignorant of basic Soviet history, which is all the more peculiar given your privileged education?</p>
<p> so why not avail yourself of the Internet and read up on these subjects</p>
<p>but in the spirit of education (realising that you probably find google difficult to use), here&#8217;s a few links:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;THE YEARS FOLLOWING THE VICTORY over Nazi Germany are marked by a wave of Russian nationalism and the anti-Western campaigns of the emerging Cold War. Soviet policy makers, and Stalin in particular, harbor a growing suspicion about the loyalty of Soviet Jews, many of whom have relatives in the United States, now the enemy.</p>
<p>The mysterious murder of Solomon Mikhoels in Minsk on January 13, 1948, is an ominous sign. The same year, an increasing number of articles in the press accuse so-called &#8220;rootless cosmopolitans&#8221; of &#8220;demolishing national pride,&#8221; &#8220;harboring anti-patriotic views&#8221; and &#8220;fawning on the West.&#8221; More and more the attacks take on an anti-Jewish character, as most of the attacked bear distinctly Jewish names, often given in brackets next to their Russified names.</p>
<p>From November 1948 onward, the Soviet authorities start a deliberate campaign to liquidate what is left of Jewish culture. The Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee is dissolved, its members arrested. Jewish literature is removed from bookshops and libraries, and the last two Jewish schools are closed. Jewish theaters, choirs and drama groups, amateur as well as professional, are dissolved. Hundreds of Jewish authors, artists, actors and journalists are arrested. During the same period, Jews are systematically dismissed from leading positions in many sectors of society, from the administration, the army, the press, the universities and the legal system. Twenty-five of the leading Jewish writers arrested in 1948 are secretly executed in Lubianka prison in August 1952.</p>
<p>The anti-Jewish campaign culminates in the arrest, announced on January 13, 1953, of a group of &#8220;Saboteurs-Doctors&#8221; accused of being paid agents of Jewish-Zionists organizations&#8221; and of planning to poison Soviet leaders. Fears spread in the Jewish community that these arrests and the show trial that is bound to follow will serve as a pretext for the deportation of Jews to Siberia. But on March 5, 1953, Stalin unexpectedly dies. The &#8220;Doctor&#8217;s Plot &#8221; is exposed as a fraud, the accused are released, and deportation plans, already discussed in the Politburo, are dropped.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/62.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/62.html</a></p>
<p>also, see <a href="http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/325/7378/1487.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/325/7378/1487.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/egorov.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/egorov.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Doctors plot? The McCanns? And I don&#039;t read Cosmopolitan or follow their campaigns, so I&#039;ve no friggin idea what your banging on about.

Is there any loony shit put about the nutbar Venezuelan opposition that you don&#039;t believe? I mean any?

Keep taking your meds, mod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Doctors plot? The McCanns? And I don&#8217;t read Cosmopolitan or follow their campaigns, so I&#8217;ve no friggin idea what your banging on about.</p>
<p>Is there any loony shit put about the nutbar Venezuelan opposition that you don&#8217;t believe? I mean any?</p>
<p>Keep taking your meds, mod.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
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		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin,

I was in Venezuela long before you, and if you wish to be Chavez&#039;s emissary and all-round PR lackey then go ahead, just cut the bull shit.

you don&#039;t give a flying fuck about attacks on Jews or synagogues in Venezuela, you are an apologist, in a long line of apologists who excused away the Doctor&#039;s plot and the rootless Cosmopolitan&#039;s campaign, that&#039;s you to a T, a mindless petty Stalinist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin,</p>
<p>I was in Venezuela long before you, and if you wish to be Chavez&#8217;s emissary and all-round PR lackey then go ahead, just cut the bull shit.</p>
<p>you don&#8217;t give a flying fuck about attacks on Jews or synagogues in Venezuela, you are an apologist, in a long line of apologists who excused away the Doctor&#8217;s plot and the rootless Cosmopolitan&#8217;s campaign, that&#8217;s you to a T, a mindless petty Stalinist</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cut the crap, modernity. You know jack shit about Venezuela and you couldn&#039;t care less about &quot;racial attacks&quot; except as a stick with which to pursue Harry&#039;s Place&#039;s vendetta against Venezuelan democracy. Funny that neither you nor any of your pro-war HPers have ever condemned Gene for backing the US sponsored coup in 2002. But hey, someone spray-canned a synogogue in Caracas. Shock! Outrage! Down with Chavez! (better give that freedom-loving opposition another few million NED dollars, eh?)

To present anti-semitism (a tiny problem in Venezuela) as somehow official government policy is beyond even your usual level of stupidity and dishonesty. But do keep sourcing your &quot;information&quot; from the wilder far-right fringes of the Venezuelan opposition - it only makes you look like an poorly informed crank.

If you were truly interested in racism in Venezuela, you would ally yourself with those who are attempting to right the wrongs done to the majority indigenous and darker skinned populations by the white elites. You might even pay attention to the routine murders of rural workers by death squads, done on behalf of rich white landowners. 

Twat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cut the crap, modernity. You know jack shit about Venezuela and you couldn&#8217;t care less about &#8220;racial attacks&#8221; except as a stick with which to pursue Harry&#8217;s Place&#8217;s vendetta against Venezuelan democracy. Funny that neither you nor any of your pro-war HPers have ever condemned Gene for backing the US sponsored coup in 2002. But hey, someone spray-canned a synogogue in Caracas. Shock! Outrage! Down with Chavez! (better give that freedom-loving opposition another few million NED dollars, eh?)</p>
<p>To present anti-semitism (a tiny problem in Venezuela) as somehow official government policy is beyond even your usual level of stupidity and dishonesty. But do keep sourcing your &#8220;information&#8221; from the wilder far-right fringes of the Venezuelan opposition &#8211; it only makes you look like an poorly informed crank.</p>
<p>If you were truly interested in racism in Venezuela, you would ally yourself with those who are attempting to right the wrongs done to the majority indigenous and darker skinned populations by the white elites. You might even pay attention to the routine murders of rural workers by death squads, done on behalf of rich white landowners. </p>
<p>Twat.</p>
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