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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: John Palubiski</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-200177</link>
		<dc:creator>John Palubiski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, John Pabliuski (JP) not doubt regards Generalissmo Franco and his Muslim troops from what was Spainish Morocco as the saviors of Christian Spain from the Godless Jewish/Masonic/Communist Menace!&lt;/i&gt;

Communism killed far more than fascism during the 20th century, and yet there are few if any monuments to the victims of, say, Stalin.

Why is that?

Think about that the next time you fantasize about what I &#039;think&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, John Pabliuski (JP) not doubt regards Generalissmo Franco and his Muslim troops from what was Spainish Morocco as the saviors of Christian Spain from the Godless Jewish/Masonic/Communist Menace!</i></p>
<p>Communism killed far more than fascism during the 20th century, and yet there are few if any monuments to the victims of, say, Stalin.</p>
<p>Why is that?</p>
<p>Think about that the next time you fantasize about what I &#8216;think&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: S.O.Muffin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-200093</link>
		<dc:creator>S.O.Muffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah: You are applying general and universal principles to the Middle Eastern conflict, rather than filtering &quot;facts&quot; at your convenience and seeing just one side of the argument. This is absolutely and totally the right thing to do.

Don&#039;t be deterred by all the shrill voices here. Your heart is at the right place, their&#039;s is a mere pump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah: You are applying general and universal principles to the Middle Eastern conflict, rather than filtering &#8220;facts&#8221; at your convenience and seeing just one side of the argument. This is absolutely and totally the right thing to do.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be deterred by all the shrill voices here. Your heart is at the right place, their&#8217;s is a mere pump.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199967</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part2: [to avoid getting stuck in moderation]

Once you&#039;ve done that I&#039;d be grateful if you would re-read the posts, and in particular the back ground to the doctor&#039;s plot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

Richard, then get back to me about euphemisms and demonisation of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part2: [to avoid getting stuck in moderation]</p>
<p>Once you&#8217;ve done that I&#8217;d be grateful if you would re-read the posts, and in particular the back ground to the doctor&#8217;s plot: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot</a></p>
<p>Richard, then get back to me about euphemisms and demonisation of people.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199966</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[my other post got stuck in the moderation queue, too many links]

Farnos wrote:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Modernity – your point seems a tad pedantic to me, the differential between Zionism and Zionist does not seem that stark to me&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

it wasn&#039;t pedantic at all, merely the use of English and the differentiation between an ideology and people, and you need to reread my previous posts to understand what I meant by &lt;b&gt;euphemism&lt;/b&gt;

but I&#039;m not going to get irritated by that misreading of my posts, as I appreciate that you may have some reading difficulties, I am going to suggest that you download a browser opera and use its text to speech facility, it will read the posts back to you. It can be downloaded from http://www.opera.com/ 

To use Opera&#039;s text to speech, go to Tools-&gt;Perferences-&gt;Advanced-&gt;Voice-&gt;Details.

Back at the browser window, select a chunk of text via the mouse, then right click and &quot;speak&quot;, the selected text will be spoken back to you via a synthesised voice.

Alternatively, download the &lt;b&gt;free&lt;/b&gt; copy of natural reader at http://www.naturalreaders.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[my other post got stuck in the moderation queue, too many links]</p>
<p>Farnos wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Modernity – your point seems a tad pedantic to me, the differential between Zionism and Zionist does not seem that stark to me&#8221; </i></p>
<p>it wasn&#8217;t pedantic at all, merely the use of English and the differentiation between an ideology and people, and you need to reread my previous posts to understand what I meant by <b>euphemism</b></p>
<p>but I&#8217;m not going to get irritated by that misreading of my posts, as I appreciate that you may have some reading difficulties, I am going to suggest that you download a browser opera and use its text to speech facility, it will read the posts back to you. It can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.opera.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opera.com/</a> </p>
<p>To use Opera&#8217;s text to speech, go to Tools-&gt;Perferences-&gt;Advanced-&gt;Voice-&gt;Details.</p>
<p>Back at the browser window, select a chunk of text via the mouse, then right click and &#8220;speak&#8221;, the selected text will be spoken back to you via a synthesised voice.</p>
<p>Alternatively, download the <b>free</b> copy of natural reader at <a href="http://www.naturalreaders.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalreaders.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Franco</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having no family ties, acquaintaces or any connection whatsoever to the Middle East (except probably a lot of moorish and with certainty at least one jewish ancestors dating from hundreds of years ago), 

thus sharing with the people who live there only my human condition

it impresses me a lot to read the content of the comments to this post, and in fact to most posts in blogs

and realize that for most people what is important is just to prove their point, in fact to impose their perspective, without even for a moment measuring their words bearing in mind whether such arguments are likely to contribute positively to the resolution of the problem at stake...

there is something childish in this behaviour. it reminds me of when children play at pretending to be something: like, hei, let&#039;s play indians and cowboys (now children don&#039;t play indians and cowboys anymore, but as I guess that the readers of this blog are adults, I am sure they get the point).

it would be childish if it didn&#039;t include statements like the one that says that the way children from gaza live is not their concern, for instance. when they pass a certain point, these comments become statements of moral relativism. at worse, they become plain hate speech.

naturally, each person is responsible for his/her words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having no family ties, acquaintaces or any connection whatsoever to the Middle East (except probably a lot of moorish and with certainty at least one jewish ancestors dating from hundreds of years ago), </p>
<p>thus sharing with the people who live there only my human condition</p>
<p>it impresses me a lot to read the content of the comments to this post, and in fact to most posts in blogs</p>
<p>and realize that for most people what is important is just to prove their point, in fact to impose their perspective, without even for a moment measuring their words bearing in mind whether such arguments are likely to contribute positively to the resolution of the problem at stake&#8230;</p>
<p>there is something childish in this behaviour. it reminds me of when children play at pretending to be something: like, hei, let&#8217;s play indians and cowboys (now children don&#8217;t play indians and cowboys anymore, but as I guess that the readers of this blog are adults, I am sure they get the point).</p>
<p>it would be childish if it didn&#8217;t include statements like the one that says that the way children from gaza live is not their concern, for instance. when they pass a certain point, these comments become statements of moral relativism. at worse, they become plain hate speech.</p>
<p>naturally, each person is responsible for his/her words.</p>
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		<title>By: Seymour Paine</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199755</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymour Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>muffin: &lt;I&gt;Israel insisted on this total control of Gaza borders to prevent large-scale movement of military ordinance into Gaza. Fair enough, I can see the reason – but there is a quid pro quo.&lt;/i&gt; So, fair enough, a quid pro quo. But what is the quid on the Gaza side? In return for no Israeli presence, then, why the by now almost 3000 missiles into Israel? And, just for shits and giggles, please name that other country which would tolerate 3000 missiles lobbed into its territory by an avowed enemy it can  destroy and not destroy that enemy? Which one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>muffin: <i>Israel insisted on this total control of Gaza borders to prevent large-scale movement of military ordinance into Gaza. Fair enough, I can see the reason – but there is a quid pro quo.</i> So, fair enough, a quid pro quo. But what is the quid on the Gaza side? In return for no Israeli presence, then, why the by now almost 3000 missiles into Israel? And, just for shits and giggles, please name that other country which would tolerate 3000 missiles lobbed into its territory by an avowed enemy it can  destroy and not destroy that enemy? Which one?</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199741</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP admin, please can you moderate my recent comment? thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP admin, please can you moderate my recent comment? thanks :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golda Meir said the Palestinians did not exist as a people but were just Arabs like the others. It is surprising how prevalent this view still is among Israel apologists. How awkward of them to want to return to their land in Palestine.

The conflict is not of course, about who loves their children most but about territory, statehood and resolving an historical injustice. As Margaret Thatcher once said in the House of Commons when Leader of the Opposition &quot;No country can expect to live behind secure and defensible borders if it denies that right to others&quot; Exactly so.
(I am quoting from memory so perhaps there is some obsessive out there with the time to go through Hansard to check the exact words)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golda Meir said the Palestinians did not exist as a people but were just Arabs like the others. It is surprising how prevalent this view still is among Israel apologists. How awkward of them to want to return to their land in Palestine.</p>
<p>The conflict is not of course, about who loves their children most but about territory, statehood and resolving an historical injustice. As Margaret Thatcher once said in the House of Commons when Leader of the Opposition &#8220;No country can expect to live behind secure and defensible borders if it denies that right to others&#8221; Exactly so.<br />
(I am quoting from memory so perhaps there is some obsessive out there with the time to go through Hansard to check the exact words)</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian from Israel</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199653</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian from Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to, but the Palestinian murderers that you support are after me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to, but the Palestinian murderers that you support are after me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/07/03/their-and-our-children/comment-page-3/#comment-199646</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grow up.</p>
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