Comments on: The Unelectable In Pursuit of the Unspeakable? http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:37:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195448 David All Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:31:17 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195448 Thank you Fabian for that information and link. I agree that what the Greece did to the Greek Moslems was horrible, not that no one much cares or even knows about this. Eurosabra: Welcome to HP. Your comments are very interesting. Look forward to hearing more from you. Thank you Fabian for that information and link. I agree that what the Greece did to the Greek Moslems was horrible, not that no one much cares or even knows about this.

Eurosabra: Welcome to HP. Your comments are very interesting. Look forward to hearing more from you.

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195439 Zkharya Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:31:19 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195439 Eurosabra, what was so nuts re. LT is that they treated you as some kind of ultra-Zionist. Basically, you were their whipping boy upon they vented their (transferred) hatred. Karmi, in In Search of Fatima, recounts being at a Jewish wedding and describes the guests' singing HaTikva as deliberately choking her. In a sense living in comfortable, secure North London, now Exeter, like Tamimi, allows her to push the most extreme Palestinist lines, without any recognition that there is any other legitimate side at all. Abusive pro-Zionists do not help, and merely serve to confirm her in her stance. But she was there anyway. I'm doped up on painkillers right now and about to fall asleep. Eurosabra,

what was so nuts re. LT is that they treated you as some kind of ultra-Zionist. Basically, you were their whipping boy upon they vented their (transferred) hatred.

Karmi, in In Search of Fatima, recounts being at a Jewish wedding and describes the guests’ singing HaTikva as deliberately choking her.

In a sense living in comfortable, secure North London, now Exeter, like Tamimi, allows her to push the most extreme Palestinist lines, without any recognition that there is any other legitimate side at all. Abusive pro-Zionists do not help, and merely serve to confirm her in her stance. But she was there anyway.

I’m doped up on painkillers right now and about to fall asleep.

]]> By: Eurosabra http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195394 Eurosabra Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:04:02 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195394 Right, Zaki, but it's disturbing that the major forum of the SWP is such a zoo/asylum, now that Mike Marqusee has decided to bring their approach to New York's anti-Zionist scene. Um, anyway, I'm far too doctrinaire, though I live pretty much as a non-statist Zionist--anyway I am far too linked to local Palestinians in the exile medical community not to think that the border is a hindrance, and state-based solutions too far in the future to help my constituency (patients, whether Israeli or Palestinian) so LT was pretty much the only "discussion" of the Palestine Question I indulged in. I think Helena Cobban's excellent Just World News is the last place I am still not banned. Ghada Karmi is very interesting, since she even pushes the PLO line on the "al-Buraq" Wall, but lived around UK Jews. So she is conversant with UK secular Jewish Zionist culture and blames it for oppressing and shaming her, "among friends", even as she treats the Bais HaMikdash as a hallucination. I wish Shabbos were coming in earlier, I'd write less utter rubbish. Mainly, I am going to be looking closely at the medical transfer figures as soon as the Gaza-Israel crossings reopen. So there is grounds for hope. Right, Zaki, but it’s disturbing that the major forum of the SWP is such a zoo/asylum, now that Mike Marqusee has decided to bring their approach to New York’s anti-Zionist scene. Um, anyway, I’m far too doctrinaire, though I live pretty much as a non-statist Zionist–anyway I am far too linked to local Palestinians in the exile medical community not to think that the border is a hindrance, and state-based solutions too far in the future to help my constituency (patients, whether Israeli or Palestinian) so LT was pretty much the only “discussion” of the Palestine Question I indulged in. I think Helena Cobban’s excellent Just World News is the last place I am still not banned.

Ghada Karmi is very interesting, since she even pushes the PLO line on the “al-Buraq” Wall, but lived around UK Jews. So she is conversant with UK secular Jewish Zionist culture and blames it for oppressing and shaming her, “among friends”, even as she treats the Bais HaMikdash as a hallucination.

I wish Shabbos were coming in earlier, I’d write less utter rubbish. Mainly, I am going to be looking closely at the medical transfer figures as soon as the Gaza-Israel crossings reopen. So there is grounds for hope.

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195383 Zkharya Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:34:18 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195383 BTW, I thought you did very well on LT. You were informed and informing, always spoke in measured tones, were invariably polite to, to put it nicely, a bunch of nutters. What is more you contributed to the discussion without displaying an obvious need to win it. There are many objectional things on HP, but not the same pathological hatred, and endless scatological and sexual (often inseparable) obscenities that made their users personal neuroses hang out like an untucked shirt. BTW,

I thought you did very well on LT. You were informed and informing, always spoke in measured tones, were invariably polite to, to put it nicely, a bunch of nutters. What is more you contributed to the discussion without displaying an obvious need to win it. There are many objectional things on HP, but not the same pathological hatred, and endless scatological and sexual (often inseparable) obscenities that made their users personal neuroses hang out like an untucked shirt.

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195381 Zkharya Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:26:24 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195381 Hi Eurosabra, I read your post on the Falujah thread. 1000+ dead, millions of bomblets in her fields. May Hizbullah have many such victories. Ghada Karmi does not recognise any legitimacy in a Jewish state. She may talk nice, but she is quite pathological about it. For her, to recognise any legitimacy in a Jewish yearning, need, or both, to return to the land is a crime. She may talk nice. But there is no talking with her. Hi Eurosabra, I read your post on the Falujah thread.

1000+ dead, millions of bomblets in her fields. May Hizbullah have many such victories.

Ghada Karmi does not recognise any legitimacy in a Jewish state. She may talk nice, but she is quite pathological about it. For her, to recognise any legitimacy in a Jewish yearning, need, or both, to return to the land is a crime.

She may talk nice. But there is no talking with her.

]]> By: Eurosabra http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195377 Eurosabra Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:14:35 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195377 Interesting dilemma here, since it appears the Tomb has finally banned me. Are UK Left blogs just going to become echo chambers? It seems they can't stand input on urban warfare even from an EMT with a lot of war zone experience, if he's an Israeli with links to the current Israeli theoretical experts. Seems I'm too Zionist and too anti-Hezb and anti-Hamas for their taste. Also, I'm a bit non-plussed about the state of political discourse in the UK, if Islamists and SWuPPies advocate and use violence, why aren't they marginalized? Is it just that "real people" have too much to lose by opposing them? If you upset Gordon Brown, he won't have you to tea. If you upset Hizb ut-Tahrir, you lose your head. I was able to watch a Zionist "piling-on" on Ghada Karmi, who really deserves better, earlier this year and part of me suspects that the mutual recrimination and bannings are a game. Which makes me wonder why Flanker, et. al. are still here. Entertainment value? Interesting dilemma here, since it appears the Tomb has finally banned me. Are UK Left blogs just going to become echo chambers? It seems they can’t stand input on urban warfare even from an EMT with a lot of war zone experience, if he’s an Israeli with links to the current Israeli theoretical experts.
Seems I’m too Zionist and too anti-Hezb and anti-Hamas for their taste.

Also, I’m a bit non-plussed about the state of political discourse in the UK, if Islamists and SWuPPies advocate and use violence, why aren’t they marginalized? Is it just that “real people” have too much to lose by opposing them? If you upset Gordon Brown, he won’t have you to tea. If you upset Hizb ut-Tahrir, you lose your head.

I was able to watch a Zionist “piling-on” on Ghada Karmi, who really deserves better, earlier this year and part of me suspects that the mutual recrimination and bannings are a game. Which makes me wonder why Flanker, et. al. are still here. Entertainment value?

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195126 Zkharya Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:48:26 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195126 Oh, and it's funny how Flanker thinks that makes Israel and her supporters losers. A truce in which Hamas is constrained to do what she should have done three years ago does not strike me as making Israel a loser. Oh, and it’s funny how Flanker thinks that makes Israel and her supporters losers.

A truce in which Hamas is constrained to do what she should have done three years ago does not strike me as making Israel a loser.

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195125 Zkharya Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:48:25 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195125 Oh, and it's funny how Flanker thinks that makes Israel and her supporters losers. A truce in which Hamas is constrained to do what she should have done three years ago does not strike me as making Israel a loser. Oh, and it’s funny how Flanker thinks that makes Israel and her supporters losers.

A truce in which Hamas is constrained to do what she should have done three years ago does not strike me as making Israel a loser.

]]> By: Zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195124 Zkharya Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:44:23 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195124 Israel closed the crossings because Hamas would not stop and encouraged the rocket fire. If Hamas now does stop the rocket and mortar fire, from all groups, then Israel has no need to keep the crossings closed. Result. Israel closed the crossings because Hamas would not stop and encouraged the rocket fire.

If Hamas now does stop the rocket and mortar fire, from all groups, then Israel has no need to keep the crossings closed.

Result.

]]> By: Fabian from Israel http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/comment-page-2/#comment-195105 Fabian from Israel Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:44:41 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/18/the-unelectable-in-pursuit-of-the-unspeakable/#comment-195105 David: Greece did that with thousands of Greek citizens of Muslim religion who stayed in Greece after the wars with Turkey. They still called them "Turks". HRW used to have a page about Greek stateless persons, but it is not there anymore. http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/reports/ghm-22-9-1999-stateless.html David: Greece did that with thousands of Greek citizens of Muslim religion who stayed in Greece after the wars with Turkey. They still called them “Turks”.
HRW used to have a page about Greek stateless persons, but it is not there anymore.
http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/reports/ghm-22-9-1999-stateless.html

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