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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Tagnuzlsx</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-192575</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagnuzlsx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another person with nothing to say makes inept attempts at insulting me. Go play with Raul and Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another person with nothing to say makes inept attempts at insulting me. Go play with Raul and Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-187994</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I mean I can understand why people hate me, but Benji seems quite polite in comparison.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think anybody hates you &quot;Tagnuzlsx&quot;. I think the general reaction is more a kind of open mouthed gawping pity at your obsessive stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I mean I can understand why people hate me, but Benji seems quite polite in comparison.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody hates you &#8220;Tagnuzlsx&#8221;. I think the general reaction is more a kind of open mouthed gawping pity at your obsessive stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184445</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why dont we just do what the Saudis do or the Syrians?, After all the people most at risk of detention are muslims so they should be happy to be treated like their muslim brothers are treated by other muslim brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why dont we just do what the Saudis do or the Syrians?, After all the people most at risk of detention are muslims so they should be happy to be treated like their muslim brothers are treated by other muslim brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave F</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184411</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conor, I see you are again trying to jump to the top of the moral high ground. It doesn&#039;t work like that. You have to come with an argument. As with the &quot;progressive&quot; verdict on the SA government yesterday, you just chuck in untested assertions, not to mention self-righteous denunciation and blah blah blah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conor, I see you are again trying to jump to the top of the moral high ground. It doesn&#8217;t work like that. You have to come with an argument. As with the &#8220;progressive&#8221; verdict on the SA government yesterday, you just chuck in untested assertions, not to mention self-righteous denunciation and blah blah blah.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184395</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tagnuzlsx, how old are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagnuzlsx, how old are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Tagnuzlsx</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184382</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagnuzlsx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;28 times Canada, and 4 times Turkey - and that’s at 28 days.&quot;

China&#039;s maximum period of pre-charge detention is 37 days, and now we have overtaken it yay!!!

What is with the ferocity of attacks on Benji. I mean I can understand why people hate me, but Benji seems quite polite in comparison. Perhaps you hate him because he proves you wrong most of the time, and spoils Mike and Brownie&#039;s crazy celebrations of the Nu Labour&#039;s &#039;victory&#039; in parliament. It seems like the battle of the bulge to me LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;28 times Canada, and 4 times Turkey &#8211; and that’s at 28 days.&#8221;</p>
<p>China&#8217;s maximum period of pre-charge detention is 37 days, and now we have overtaken it yay!!!</p>
<p>What is with the ferocity of attacks on Benji. I mean I can understand why people hate me, but Benji seems quite polite in comparison. Perhaps you hate him because he proves you wrong most of the time, and spoils Mike and Brownie&#8217;s crazy celebrations of the Nu Labour&#8217;s &#8216;victory&#8217; in parliament. It seems like the battle of the bulge to me LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184274</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, and I don’t buy the argument that some investigations have taken right up tothe 11th hour to complete. When I was a kid, instead of getting it done when I got home from school on Friday afternoon, I always left my homework until Sunday evening, and then I’d have to rush. That wasn’t an argument for longer weekends.&lt;/i&gt;

Is your point that the police have been out clubbing and watching re-runs of &quot;Allo Allo&quot; when they should have been investigating international terror conspiracies? I think your analogy needs some work. The police, Mi5/6 are under-resourced and, if reports are to be believed, close to breaking point specifically becuase of the amount of manpower needed to pursue terror suspects and collect evidence. The idea that they would sit on investigations, stringing them out unnecessarily is too preposterous for words.

You left your homework to the last minute because you could, not because you had to.

&lt;i&gt;But why do they need 6 weeks for terrrorism? Why not 4 weeks or 9 weeks? I want to see a timeline of a typical investigation.&lt;/i&gt;

Leaving aside the fact that your questions apply whether the limit is 2, 4 or 6 weeks, I&#039;d suggest there is no such thing as a &quot;typical investigation&quot;. So long as you understand that there will be a difference between investigating a 21st century terror conspiracy and following up a tip-off that the local offy is to be done over this Friday, it&#039;s then just a question of where we draw the line. And I&#039;ve already said that I resepct the view of those who come to the conclusion that 42 days takes us past where we ought to be. I can&#039;t, however, fathom why some people find it impossible to even envisage the sort of scenario that might lead to 42 days being necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, and I don’t buy the argument that some investigations have taken right up tothe 11th hour to complete. When I was a kid, instead of getting it done when I got home from school on Friday afternoon, I always left my homework until Sunday evening, and then I’d have to rush. That wasn’t an argument for longer weekends.</i></p>
<p>Is your point that the police have been out clubbing and watching re-runs of &#8220;Allo Allo&#8221; when they should have been investigating international terror conspiracies? I think your analogy needs some work. The police, Mi5/6 are under-resourced and, if reports are to be believed, close to breaking point specifically becuase of the amount of manpower needed to pursue terror suspects and collect evidence. The idea that they would sit on investigations, stringing them out unnecessarily is too preposterous for words.</p>
<p>You left your homework to the last minute because you could, not because you had to.</p>
<p><i>But why do they need 6 weeks for terrrorism? Why not 4 weeks or 9 weeks? I want to see a timeline of a typical investigation.</i></p>
<p>Leaving aside the fact that your questions apply whether the limit is 2, 4 or 6 weeks, I&#8217;d suggest there is no such thing as a &#8220;typical investigation&#8221;. So long as you understand that there will be a difference between investigating a 21st century terror conspiracy and following up a tip-off that the local offy is to be done over this Friday, it&#8217;s then just a question of where we draw the line. And I&#8217;ve already said that I resepct the view of those who come to the conclusion that 42 days takes us past where we ought to be. I can&#8217;t, however, fathom why some people find it impossible to even envisage the sort of scenario that might lead to 42 days being necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184247</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I don&#039;t buy the argument that some investigations have taken right up tothe 11th hour to complete. When I was a kid, instead of getting it done when I got home from school on Friday afternoon, I always left my homework until Sunday evening, and then I&#039;d have to rush. That wasn&#039;t an argument for longer weekends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I don&#8217;t buy the argument that some investigations have taken right up tothe 11th hour to complete. When I was a kid, instead of getting it done when I got home from school on Friday afternoon, I always left my homework until Sunday evening, and then I&#8217;d have to rush. That wasn&#8217;t an argument for longer weekends.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;It’s why not all arrests are immediately followed by charges, whether we’re talking about terrorism or the brick put through the newsagent’s window.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No argument there. But why do they need 6 weeks for terrrorism? Why not 4 weeks or 9 weeks? I want to see a timeline of a typical investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;It’s why not all arrests are immediately followed by charges, whether we’re talking about terrorism or the brick put through the newsagent’s window.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No argument there. But why do they need 6 weeks for terrrorism? Why not 4 weeks or 9 weeks? I want to see a timeline of a typical investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/06/11/the-answer-is42/comment-page-4/#comment-184209</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If the person is in detention (and thus removed from circulation), logically, what further evidence to confirm the police’s suspicions could come to light?&lt;/i&gt;

I must be misunderstnading you. I hope I am. Becasue the answer is &quot;just about anything&quot;.

&lt;i&gt;Everything they could and would have done would have to have been done before they were detained, which, in order to have a reasonable suspicion to detain them in the first place, the police would have to have known about.&lt;/i&gt;

I think you&#039;re missing the point that there&#039;s a difference between the burden of proof to justify arrest and that required to lay charges. I&#039;m not a legal expert (no, really I&#039;m not), but I think it&#039;s roughly the difference between a reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed and a reasonable chance of a successful prosecution. So police can arrest on the basis of the former and continue to investigate until they&#039;re happy they&#039;ve reached the latter.

It&#039;s why not all arrests are immediately followed by charges, whether we&#039;re talking about terrorism or the brick put through the newsagent&#039;s window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If the person is in detention (and thus removed from circulation), logically, what further evidence to confirm the police’s suspicions could come to light?</i></p>
<p>I must be misunderstnading you. I hope I am. Becasue the answer is &#8220;just about anything&#8221;.</p>
<p><i>Everything they could and would have done would have to have been done before they were detained, which, in order to have a reasonable suspicion to detain them in the first place, the police would have to have known about.</i></p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the point that there&#8217;s a difference between the burden of proof to justify arrest and that required to lay charges. I&#8217;m not a legal expert (no, really I&#8217;m not), but I think it&#8217;s roughly the difference between a reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed and a reasonable chance of a successful prosecution. So police can arrest on the basis of the former and continue to investigate until they&#8217;re happy they&#8217;ve reached the latter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why not all arrests are immediately followed by charges, whether we&#8217;re talking about terrorism or the brick put through the newsagent&#8217;s window.</p>
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