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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: John Palubiski</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176575</link>
		<dc:creator>John Palubiski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, one does. Perhaps it might be worth your while reading the studies and then coming to a reasoned conclusion on the basis of the evidence?&lt;/i&gt;

With all due respect, Mrs Trellis, millions of circumcised men have succumbed to HIV.

No one should need a study to be aware of that.

The current flak over circumcision is, in fact, a red herring designed to deflect from the fact that promiscuous sexual behavior is the main factor in the dissemination of aids.

No one wants to look that in the face, perferring instead to blame the epidemic on various body parts , or the weather in china....whatever.

I dare any circumcised male here to go out and engage in risky sexual behavior with inidividuals who are potentially HIV positive.

The circumcision/non-circumcision &quot;debate&quot; is rooted in junk science, on the one hand,  and on the other, by a desire to escape personnal responsability.

Being circumcised will not save yer ass.

This issue reminds me of those old wives tales wherein it was said that a girl could avoid an unwanted pregnancy by jumping up and down 20 times immediately after intercourse.


&lt;i&gt;Promiscuity is bad for your health and your soul.&lt;/i&gt;

True, but false prophets and randy Bedouin paedophiles are much worse, Bikhair.

Beware of false prophets, ok?

N.inS.A.: &lt;i&gt;The Catholics are masters with long standing, at leverage guilt; I’ll grant that!&lt;/i&gt;

Actually The church manages guilt and sexual repression so that it re-emerges like a smooth sensual latté.

The entire nation of Italy is one big work of art, and carnival in Rio is baccnalian in tone.

Christianity didn&#039;t kill Eros, Nick, it just put him a suit and tie.

I&#039;d love to say more, but am feeling too guilty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, one does. Perhaps it might be worth your while reading the studies and then coming to a reasoned conclusion on the basis of the evidence?</i></p>
<p>With all due respect, Mrs Trellis, millions of circumcised men have succumbed to HIV.</p>
<p>No one should need a study to be aware of that.</p>
<p>The current flak over circumcision is, in fact, a red herring designed to deflect from the fact that promiscuous sexual behavior is the main factor in the dissemination of aids.</p>
<p>No one wants to look that in the face, perferring instead to blame the epidemic on various body parts , or the weather in china&#8230;.whatever.</p>
<p>I dare any circumcised male here to go out and engage in risky sexual behavior with inidividuals who are potentially HIV positive.</p>
<p>The circumcision/non-circumcision &#8220;debate&#8221; is rooted in junk science, on the one hand,  and on the other, by a desire to escape personnal responsability.</p>
<p>Being circumcised will not save yer ass.</p>
<p>This issue reminds me of those old wives tales wherein it was said that a girl could avoid an unwanted pregnancy by jumping up and down 20 times immediately after intercourse.</p>
<p><i>Promiscuity is bad for your health and your soul.</i></p>
<p>True, but false prophets and randy Bedouin paedophiles are much worse, Bikhair.</p>
<p>Beware of false prophets, ok?</p>
<p>N.inS.A.: <i>The Catholics are masters with long standing, at leverage guilt; I’ll grant that!</i></p>
<p>Actually The church manages guilt and sexual repression so that it re-emerges like a smooth sensual latté.</p>
<p>The entire nation of Italy is one big work of art, and carnival in Rio is baccnalian in tone.</p>
<p>Christianity didn&#8217;t kill Eros, Nick, it just put him a suit and tie.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to say more, but am feeling too guilty!</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Trellis</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176433</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Trellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 10:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The only valid study would be one in which rates of infection among promiscuous circumcised men are compared to those of monogamous circumcised men.
Or, conversly, the rates of infection among uncircumcised promiscous men versus uncircumcised monogamous men.
One has to compare apples with apples.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, one does.  Perhaps it might be worth your while reading the studies and then coming to a reasoned conclusion on the basis of the evidence?

A fair study would be a randomly selected cross-section of men, half of whom are circumcised and half of whom are not.  The rates of HIV infection over a period of a few years can then be measured and compared.

I believe those studies cited did exactly that.  You can find lots of information on the Internet about what does and does not consitute a valid scientific study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The only valid study would be one in which rates of infection among promiscuous circumcised men are compared to those of monogamous circumcised men.<br />
Or, conversly, the rates of infection among uncircumcised promiscous men versus uncircumcised monogamous men.<br />
One has to compare apples with apples.</i></p>
<p>Yes, one does.  Perhaps it might be worth your while reading the studies and then coming to a reasoned conclusion on the basis of the evidence?</p>
<p>A fair study would be a randomly selected cross-section of men, half of whom are circumcised and half of whom are not.  The rates of HIV infection over a period of a few years can then be measured and compared.</p>
<p>I believe those studies cited did exactly that.  You can find lots of information on the Internet about what does and does not consitute a valid scientific study.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176421</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 09:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AIDS denialist movement is in reality a fragmented and often contradictory block comprised of a wide variety of factions.  Some are backwards, conservative and reactionary.  But it&#039;s also worth noting that others come from a different perspective, whether or not one agrees with their scientific conclusions.  ACT-UP San Francisco for example, came to splinter with the rest of the ACT-UP federation of groups and pursued a line arguing that fear and paranoia was being used by people who wanted to punish Africans and gay men, piggy backing their heterosexual moralism atop an epidemic.  As an analysis, it summarises much that is common to both &quot;liberal&quot; as well as conservative writing on the subject.  Horror of horrors, people are still having sex.  And surviving.  That irks a lot of moralists - whether Islamo medievalists or Guardian reading apocalyptics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AIDS denialist movement is in reality a fragmented and often contradictory block comprised of a wide variety of factions.  Some are backwards, conservative and reactionary.  But it&#8217;s also worth noting that others come from a different perspective, whether or not one agrees with their scientific conclusions.  ACT-UP San Francisco for example, came to splinter with the rest of the ACT-UP federation of groups and pursued a line arguing that fear and paranoia was being used by people who wanted to punish Africans and gay men, piggy backing their heterosexual moralism atop an epidemic.  As an analysis, it summarises much that is common to both &#8220;liberal&#8221; as well as conservative writing on the subject.  Horror of horrors, people are still having sex.  And surviving.  That irks a lot of moralists &#8211; whether Islamo medievalists or Guardian reading apocalyptics.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Scholar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176383</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikhair, your sort always expects that the religious edicts which have been ineffective in the past will somehow magically become effective in the future.  As if human nature is due to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikhair, your sort always expects that the religious edicts which have been ineffective in the past will somehow magically become effective in the future.  As if human nature is due to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikhair</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176351</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys. Its been a while. Nice site.

Moonbattery? 

&quot;The Muslim leaders want to stop the provision of condoms and instead promote “observance of Islamic teachings such as fasting, regular prayer and shunning extramarital affairs.” They also advised men to “avoid looking at women”.&quot;

What great advice. We all expect Muslims to follow Islam when we believe it tells them to kill, behead, xyz, but not when it tells them to fast, pray, and not &quot;hook up.&quot;

Promiscuity is bad for your health and your soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys. Its been a while. Nice site.</p>
<p>Moonbattery? </p>
<p>&#8220;The Muslim leaders want to stop the provision of condoms and instead promote “observance of Islamic teachings such as fasting, regular prayer and shunning extramarital affairs.” They also advised men to “avoid looking at women”.&#8221;</p>
<p>What great advice. We all expect Muslims to follow Islam when we believe it tells them to kill, behead, xyz, but not when it tells them to fast, pray, and not &#8220;hook up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Promiscuity is bad for your health and your soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick (South Africa)</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176348</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick (South Africa)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP wrote: &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Yes they are more sophisticated, but then there’s always the confessional, a tool designed specifically to culpabilise the à-la-carte crowd thereby keeping them more-or-less in line.&lt;i&gt;
The Catholics are masters with long standing, at leverage guilt; I&#039;ll grant that!

The confessional, the Visa card approach to religion - sin now pay later.

I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the first to notice how this hyper guilt, conditioed into kids at a tender age - quite seriously emotionally damages and scarres a goodly proportion of those raised Catholics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP wrote:<br />
<blockquote><i>Yes they are more sophisticated, but then there’s always the confessional, a tool designed specifically to culpabilise the à-la-carte crowd thereby keeping them more-or-less in line.</i><i><br />
The Catholics are masters with long standing, at leverage guilt; I&#8217;ll grant that!</p>
<p>The confessional, the Visa card approach to religion &#8211; sin now pay later.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the first to notice how this hyper guilt, conditioed into kids at a tender age &#8211; quite seriously emotionally damages and scarres a goodly proportion of those raised Catholics.</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Joshua Scholar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176342</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sometimes illuminating to acknowledge the extent to which our problems are due to self imposed limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sometimes illuminating to acknowledge the extent to which our problems are due to self imposed limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Scholar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176339</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, AIDS could end entirely and instantly.

Just test everyone and tattoo the people who are infected.  

Then mandate periodic testing on a decreasing frequency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, AIDS could end entirely and instantly.</p>
<p>Just test everyone and tattoo the people who are infected.  </p>
<p>Then mandate periodic testing on a decreasing frequency.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176327</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Palubiski
The trials I cite are balanced for sexual behaviour, age, partners, medical history and even religion-- and most imporantly 2 of them are from individuals from the same location. In the 80s and early 90s people found the idea that circumcision would be potective quite surprising. Nobody is in any doubt that this is the case now. Foreskin cells are simply rich in langerhans cells which are a prime entrypoint for HIV virus.

I have avoided being rude till now but quite simply you are talking balls... and should desist. It is really quite irresponsible to spread falsehoods about public health matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Palubiski<br />
The trials I cite are balanced for sexual behaviour, age, partners, medical history and even religion&#8211; and most imporantly 2 of them are from individuals from the same location. In the 80s and early 90s people found the idea that circumcision would be potective quite surprising. Nobody is in any doubt that this is the case now. Foreskin cells are simply rich in langerhans cells which are a prime entrypoint for HIV virus.</p>
<p>I have avoided being rude till now but quite simply you are talking balls&#8230; and should desist. It is really quite irresponsible to spread falsehoods about public health matters.</p>
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		<title>By: John Palubiski</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/14/9381/comment-page-1/#comment-176326</link>
		<dc:creator>John Palubiski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;These are the areas in which the contribution of religious leaders has been the worst. In every sense, the interference of religious leaders both causes the problem and frustrates rational and effective solutions to it.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah! And I suppose it was the &#039;interference&#039; of religious leaders that first &#039;caused&#039; the AIDS crisis!

Moonbattery indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>These are the areas in which the contribution of religious leaders has been the worst. In every sense, the interference of religious leaders both causes the problem and frustrates rational and effective solutions to it.</i></p>
<p>Yeah! And I suppose it was the &#8216;interference&#8217; of religious leaders that first &#8217;caused&#8217; the AIDS crisis!</p>
<p>Moonbattery indeed.</p>
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