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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Lewis</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-174226</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know what makes a good school. We all know what it takes to create a good school. We all know the Govt wont allow this.

Really? What is it then and why do you think the Government won’t allow it?

A good school is one where truth is not a relative concept. Where children are not patronised and &#039;understood&#039; into mediocrity. Where they are pressured, tested and sometimes (heaven forfend) endure boredom to stretch them and where &#039;relevance&#039; doesnt mean being spoonfed ephemera. 

I think you know only too well why this Government will not allow this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know what makes a good school. We all know what it takes to create a good school. We all know the Govt wont allow this.</p>
<p>Really? What is it then and why do you think the Government won’t allow it?</p>
<p>A good school is one where truth is not a relative concept. Where children are not patronised and &#8216;understood&#8217; into mediocrity. Where they are pressured, tested and sometimes (heaven forfend) endure boredom to stretch them and where &#8216;relevance&#8217; doesnt mean being spoonfed ephemera. </p>
<p>I think you know only too well why this Government will not allow this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Paul</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-173967</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having met some of the Ealing massive and their rising 4s I understand the problem described here by school governor and former PPC &quot;Rubina&quot; Huq. 

It just struck me as I listened to their plaints that getting together and piling into the so-called &quot;sink&quot; schools you were allocated under a transparently fair and fully advanced system would &quot;turn them round&quot; or at least raise their statistical performance. 

When I asked whether these anxious parents had looked at the Ofsted reports for the allocated schools I found that they had not done so.

When I asked whether these anxious parents had checked the applicable distances last year for their target schools and chosen accordingly I found that they had not.

When I asked these anxious parents whether they had even used all three of their choices, never mind wisely, I found that some of them had not even done that. OMG! FGS!

When I asked these anxious parents whether they had chosen their addresses very carefully I found that some had moved very recently but ended up 200 metres too far away - 500 instead of 300 metres. Which is missing by a mile if you&#039;re that serious about such things.

And while some of the parents had actively sought work-rounds e.g. nan&#039;s addresses they were willing to start a campaign of outing parents who had found rellies willing to play along, or temporary rented accommodation or whatever it was.

We were right to oppose SATs - particularly when young kids are coached to within an inch of their young lives to keep the school economy healthy.

We should also make sure parents understand the purpose of value-added measurements and their superiority to absolutes for measuring schools.

And also the sheer stupidity of using the numbers of free school meals or statemented kids as measures of school genius levels. 

In Finland they don&#039;t even go to &quot;big school&quot; until they are about 7 years old and they stay in the same school to 16 and they do very very well indeed.

No faith schools AFAIK, mixed education, no publically announced intermediate exam grades, every school a good school.

Parental choice IS a bit of a sham really. Other means of allocation need to be used unless they are LOADS of school places perceived as good enough for little dears and there have to be loads of surplus spaces or infinitely flexible intakes for this counsel of perfection to become reality.

This is ridiculous! This is unnecessary anxiety to the point of suicide! Kids are very durable and find their own level almost wherever they go to school.

There are some appalling instances of mistakes at my kids&#039; schools but by and large they are winning more than they&#039;re losing and will do just fine. One of mine was put in completely the wrong science set for example and may miss doing two extra GCSEs as a result. One child was just moved UP into the A or A* set, having got an E, to make room for some B kids to move down.

The head of science should be taken to one side and taught Newton&#039;s laws. What goes up must come down being perhaps the best one for her case.

But I digress.

My kids are also I think more likely to make the subject choices they want in the NEAREST STATE SCHOOLS that they have always gone to than they would have done under some brain grading centre of excellence, independent, or vestigial state selective with less vocational options. Nonetheless they will have enough and good enough academics to change tack if they wish to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having met some of the Ealing massive and their rising 4s I understand the problem described here by school governor and former PPC &#8220;Rubina&#8221; Huq. </p>
<p>It just struck me as I listened to their plaints that getting together and piling into the so-called &#8220;sink&#8221; schools you were allocated under a transparently fair and fully advanced system would &#8220;turn them round&#8221; or at least raise their statistical performance. </p>
<p>When I asked whether these anxious parents had looked at the Ofsted reports for the allocated schools I found that they had not done so.</p>
<p>When I asked whether these anxious parents had checked the applicable distances last year for their target schools and chosen accordingly I found that they had not.</p>
<p>When I asked these anxious parents whether they had even used all three of their choices, never mind wisely, I found that some of them had not even done that. OMG! FGS!</p>
<p>When I asked these anxious parents whether they had chosen their addresses very carefully I found that some had moved very recently but ended up 200 metres too far away &#8211; 500 instead of 300 metres. Which is missing by a mile if you&#8217;re that serious about such things.</p>
<p>And while some of the parents had actively sought work-rounds e.g. nan&#8217;s addresses they were willing to start a campaign of outing parents who had found rellies willing to play along, or temporary rented accommodation or whatever it was.</p>
<p>We were right to oppose SATs &#8211; particularly when young kids are coached to within an inch of their young lives to keep the school economy healthy.</p>
<p>We should also make sure parents understand the purpose of value-added measurements and their superiority to absolutes for measuring schools.</p>
<p>And also the sheer stupidity of using the numbers of free school meals or statemented kids as measures of school genius levels. </p>
<p>In Finland they don&#8217;t even go to &#8220;big school&#8221; until they are about 7 years old and they stay in the same school to 16 and they do very very well indeed.</p>
<p>No faith schools AFAIK, mixed education, no publically announced intermediate exam grades, every school a good school.</p>
<p>Parental choice IS a bit of a sham really. Other means of allocation need to be used unless they are LOADS of school places perceived as good enough for little dears and there have to be loads of surplus spaces or infinitely flexible intakes for this counsel of perfection to become reality.</p>
<p>This is ridiculous! This is unnecessary anxiety to the point of suicide! Kids are very durable and find their own level almost wherever they go to school.</p>
<p>There are some appalling instances of mistakes at my kids&#8217; schools but by and large they are winning more than they&#8217;re losing and will do just fine. One of mine was put in completely the wrong science set for example and may miss doing two extra GCSEs as a result. One child was just moved UP into the A or A* set, having got an E, to make room for some B kids to move down.</p>
<p>The head of science should be taken to one side and taught Newton&#8217;s laws. What goes up must come down being perhaps the best one for her case.</p>
<p>But I digress.</p>
<p>My kids are also I think more likely to make the subject choices they want in the NEAREST STATE SCHOOLS that they have always gone to than they would have done under some brain grading centre of excellence, independent, or vestigial state selective with less vocational options. Nonetheless they will have enough and good enough academics to change tack if they wish to.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was he perhaps expecting her to do Anna Karenina for A level?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was he perhaps expecting her to do Anna Karenina for A level?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-173960</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How exactly did throwing himself under a train do anything for the future education of his daughter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly did throwing himself under a train do anything for the future education of his daughter?</p>
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		<title>By: field</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-173922</link>
		<dc:creator>field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to revive my idea: 

Parents should be able to select the school their children attend. 

Yes, this will mean some schools will be oversubscribed. But if they cannot expand on their current site they will have to lease space from undersubscribed schools or find new premises. The legal obligation will be on the popular school to expand.  Unpopular schools will close. 

It would be a more egalitarian system but would also  have the advantage of relieving parents and children of the strain of wondering if they will be successful in their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to revive my idea: </p>
<p>Parents should be able to select the school their children attend. </p>
<p>Yes, this will mean some schools will be oversubscribed. But if they cannot expand on their current site they will have to lease space from undersubscribed schools or find new premises. The legal obligation will be on the popular school to expand.  Unpopular schools will close. </p>
<p>It would be a more egalitarian system but would also  have the advantage of relieving parents and children of the strain of wondering if they will be successful in their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: XofTheX</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-173736</link>
		<dc:creator>XofTheX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about Xombie?  I am challenging the idea that the educational opportunities of the majority will be improved by reinstituting grammar schools.  The fact that so few benefitted from them is why they are an irrelevance.   In fact they are worse than an irrelevance, for every grammar schools created, creates in its wake several secondary moderns.  This is something that the proponents of grammar schools are very slow to acknowledge.  Not exactly a populist message is it - &#039;let&#039;s bring back the secondary modern&#039; - but it is exactly the message that grammar school advocates are advancing but lack the honesty to make clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about Xombie?  I am challenging the idea that the educational opportunities of the majority will be improved by reinstituting grammar schools.  The fact that so few benefitted from them is why they are an irrelevance.   In fact they are worse than an irrelevance, for every grammar schools created, creates in its wake several secondary moderns.  This is something that the proponents of grammar schools are very slow to acknowledge.  Not exactly a populist message is it &#8211; &#8216;let&#8217;s bring back the secondary modern&#8217; &#8211; but it is exactly the message that grammar school advocates are advancing but lack the honesty to make clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Xombie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XofTheX, you assume that the figure you quote vindicates your obvious dislike of grammar schools.  On the contrary; grammar schools are intended to be highly selective and the preserve of the academically minded.  Therefore, I have to say the 20% acceptance rate looks fairly accurate to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XofTheX, you assume that the figure you quote vindicates your obvious dislike of grammar schools.  On the contrary; grammar schools are intended to be highly selective and the preserve of the academically minded.  Therefore, I have to say the 20% acceptance rate looks fairly accurate to me.</p>
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		<title>By: XofTheX</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-173325</link>
		<dc:creator>XofTheX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bring back grammar schools! And permit selection by academic ability!&lt;/i&gt;

So how is that meant to improve the educational opportunities for the vast majority of people.   80 percent didn&#039;t go the grammar schools so how the flying fuck is bringing them back going to make any difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bring back grammar schools! And permit selection by academic ability!</i></p>
<p>So how is that meant to improve the educational opportunities for the vast majority of people.   80 percent didn&#8217;t go the grammar schools so how the flying fuck is bringing them back going to make any difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick (South Africa)</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-171070</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick (South Africa)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not normally a Daily Mail person&lt;/i&gt;
This sounds like the lament of a dyslexic lesbian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not normally a Daily Mail person</i><br />
This sounds like the lament of a dyslexic lesbian!</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2008/05/02/too-cool-for-school/comment-page-1/#comment-170712</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ll find that those schools were &#039;faith schools&#039; who not unreasonably wanted some sort of religious commitment from prospective pupils.  Part of the problem is that, it seems to me, is that we are moving from a &#039;knowledged-based&#039; educational system to one based on training people to have flexible skills.  Anyway, I think that as Dr Haq didn&#039;t actually go to a state school, she/he may be wearing rose-coloured spectacles.  Of-course teachers are very committed in the state sector, but my experience in looking for a secondary school for my child was that most of the teachers are barely out of teacher-training college themselves, and those that are older are very jaded.  Probably because of the number of changes that are always being forced upon them.  Why don&#039;t other countries have these problems?  Also, although it was not codified in tables in the past, everyone knew what to expect at various schools.  That&#039;s one of the beauties of having a class system; it makes it very easy to read society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ll find that those schools were &#8216;faith schools&#8217; who not unreasonably wanted some sort of religious commitment from prospective pupils.  Part of the problem is that, it seems to me, is that we are moving from a &#8216;knowledged-based&#8217; educational system to one based on training people to have flexible skills.  Anyway, I think that as Dr Haq didn&#8217;t actually go to a state school, she/he may be wearing rose-coloured spectacles.  Of-course teachers are very committed in the state sector, but my experience in looking for a secondary school for my child was that most of the teachers are barely out of teacher-training college themselves, and those that are older are very jaded.  Probably because of the number of changes that are always being forced upon them.  Why don&#8217;t other countries have these problems?  Also, although it was not codified in tables in the past, everyone knew what to expect at various schools.  That&#8217;s one of the beauties of having a class system; it makes it very easy to read society.</p>
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