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	<title>Comments on: Atzmon Slams &#8220;Jewish Tribal Activists&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Puzzled</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138278</link>
		<dc:creator>Puzzled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Socialist Workers Party is &quot;far right&quot;, what does that make George W Bush and the neocons? Crypto-communists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Socialist Workers Party is &#8220;far right&#8221;, what does that make George W Bush and the neocons? Crypto-communists?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Risdon</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138277</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Risdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Counterpunch, a journal of the far right...&quot;

&quot;To be good you had to be on the left.&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1995096,00.html&quot;&gt;Nick Cohen&lt;/a&gt;)

In what sense, except that they are foul and there is a reflexive habit of calling nasty things &quot;right wing&quot;, are the Counterpunch troops of the right? Smaller state advocates? Responsibility, not rights? Free trade?

Oliver Kamm has shown, in his posts about the Peace Pledge Union, how similar the Stoppers are now to the left-orientated apeasement of the &#039;30s (&quot;Europe wouldn&#039;t be so bad under Mr Hitler&quot;).

Another lurch of honesty is needed: the far left &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the far right. There&#039;s almost no difference - just hatreds chosen along slightly different lines. Both are statist, collectivist, communalist. Both have longstanding histories of anti-semitism; both have long histories of collaboration with Islamofascists (going back to the early days of the Russian Revolution on the one hand, and reaching an apogee with the Mufti of Jerusalem and the nazis on the other).

The BNP&#039;s use of Islam as a proxy for racism is convenient, not intrinsic. Equally, the SWP (and similar) attachments to gender and racial equality was also merely convenient, as is shown by the ease with which these have been shed.

Left and Right are of decreasing use in contemporary politics (except perhaps as in this case as a way to see provoke some of the usual suspects into amusing squeals). Pragmatic libertarians and social democrats are placed on opposing sides by this dichotomy, but in fact they have more in common with one another than either do with the fascistic ultras whose adamantine certainties - religious or political - threaten so much that was hard won and that remains fragile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Counterpunch, a journal of the far right&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;To be good you had to be on the left.&#8221; (<a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1995096,00.html">Nick Cohen</a>)</p>
<p>In what sense, except that they are foul and there is a reflexive habit of calling nasty things &#8220;right wing&#8221;, are the Counterpunch troops of the right? Smaller state advocates? Responsibility, not rights? Free trade?</p>
<p>Oliver Kamm has shown, in his posts about the Peace Pledge Union, how similar the Stoppers are now to the left-orientated apeasement of the &#8217;30s (&#8220;Europe wouldn&#8217;t be so bad under Mr Hitler&#8221;).</p>
<p>Another lurch of honesty is needed: the far left <i>is</i> the far right. There&#8217;s almost no difference &#8211; just hatreds chosen along slightly different lines. Both are statist, collectivist, communalist. Both have longstanding histories of anti-semitism; both have long histories of collaboration with Islamofascists (going back to the early days of the Russian Revolution on the one hand, and reaching an apogee with the Mufti of Jerusalem and the nazis on the other).</p>
<p>The BNP&#8217;s use of Islam as a proxy for racism is convenient, not intrinsic. Equally, the SWP (and similar) attachments to gender and racial equality was also merely convenient, as is shown by the ease with which these have been shed.</p>
<p>Left and Right are of decreasing use in contemporary politics (except perhaps as in this case as a way to see provoke some of the usual suspects into amusing squeals). Pragmatic libertarians and social democrats are placed on opposing sides by this dichotomy, but in fact they have more in common with one another than either do with the fascistic ultras whose adamantine certainties &#8211; religious or political &#8211; threaten so much that was hard won and that remains fragile.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138276</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counterpunch is far left, not far right. One of its main editors is Alexander Cockburn, a long-time left-wing journalist.

Admittedly, on some issues it&#039;s getting harder to tell the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counterpunch is far left, not far right. One of its main editors is Alexander Cockburn, a long-time left-wing journalist.</p>
<p>Admittedly, on some issues it&#8217;s getting harder to tell the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: David Twytte the Dude of Decency</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138275</link>
		<dc:creator>David Twytte the Dude of Decency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no, Mikey, that&#039;s heresy.

Atzmon&#039;s saxophone is the pillar on which the entire fragile structure of reactionary resistance to the benign global hegemony of the neocons rests. Kick the sax away and watch those fascists flee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no, Mikey, that&#8217;s heresy.</p>
<p>Atzmon&#8217;s saxophone is the pillar on which the entire fragile structure of reactionary resistance to the benign global hegemony of the neocons rests. Kick the sax away and watch those fascists flee!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138271</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atzmon is an irrelevance - it&#039;s the fact that the SWP and Counterpunch support him that makes it more interesting. They are also irrelevant but more fun to expose ofr their lunacy views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atzmon is an irrelevance &#8211; it&#8217;s the fact that the SWP and Counterpunch support him that makes it more interesting. They are also irrelevant but more fun to expose ofr their lunacy views.</p>
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		<title>By: David Twytte the Dude of Decency</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138274</link>
		<dc:creator>David Twytte the Dude of Decency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today the discrediting of Gilad Atzmon, tomorrow the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today the discrediting of Gilad Atzmon, tomorrow the world!</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;ll say that they are jews, or in the control of jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;ll say that they are jews, or in the control of jews.</p>
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		<title>By: http://modernityblog.blogspot.com/</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138272</link>
		<dc:creator>http://modernityblog.blogspot.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bet that even Respect/SWP zombies, like JohnG, are getting seriously cheesed off with Atzmon&#039;s antics and if they &lt;b&gt;ever &lt;/b&gt; drop him, he&#039;ll probably write a similar nasty piece about them in Counterpunch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet that even Respect/SWP zombies, like JohnG, are getting seriously cheesed off with Atzmon&#8217;s antics and if they <b>ever </b> drop him, he&#8217;ll probably write a similar nasty piece about them in Counterpunch</p>
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		<title>By: Cranberry</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138270</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love lamp.

I hate floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love lamp.</p>
<p>I hate floor.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2007/01/22/atzmon-slams-jewish-tribal-activists/comment-page-1/#comment-138269</link>
		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love them too. I serve their interests 24/7. Ah, but am I one? That&#039;s for me to know and you to find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love them too. I serve their interests 24/7. Ah, but am I one? That&#8217;s for me to know and you to find out.</p>
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