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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Old Peculiar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/05/11/a-welcome-victory/comment-page-4/#comment-51893</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Peculiar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 23:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrade Smirnoff - you rock.

Obviously I&#039;m using &#039;rock&#039; in a postmodern irconic way. &#039;Rock&#039; is a mere signifier, nay a meme.

According to Chomsky.................................................................................................zzzzzzzzzzzzz................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrade Smirnoff &#8211; you rock.</p>
<p>Obviously I&#8217;m using &#8216;rock&#8217; in a postmodern irconic way. &#8216;Rock&#8217; is a mere signifier, nay a meme.</p>
<p>According to Chomsky&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.zzzzzzzzzzzzz&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Alhazred</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/05/11/a-welcome-victory/comment-page-4/#comment-51892</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Alhazred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you realise, Harry, but you&#039;ve finally given us incontrovertable proof that you&#039;re talking complete bollocks about RESPECT, and everything else, probably.  Has anyone ever told you that you&#039;re a &#039;self-hating communist&#039;?

They have now.

That&#039;ll be something to tell people about at parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you realise, Harry, but you&#8217;ve finally given us incontrovertable proof that you&#8217;re talking complete bollocks about RESPECT, and everything else, probably.  Has anyone ever told you that you&#8217;re a &#8217;self-hating communist&#8217;?</p>
<p>They have now.</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll be something to tell people about at parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade_Smirnoff</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/05/11/a-welcome-victory/comment-page-4/#comment-51891</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade_Smirnoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again. Slipping right back into pretentuous sophmoric analysis. I&#039;m just tired of your infantile games Pete.

You and your right wing mates use &#039;anti semitism&#039; as a battering ram to stifle opposition to your views regarding the Middle East.

It is a strategy which is riddled, just like the patriarchal capitalist system, with contradictions.

You are effectivly accusing arabs (who are semites) of being anti-semitic.

You should be ashamed. You have a lot to learn from the left. We don&#039;t cry &#039;RACIST&#039; at the drop of a hat. It&#039;s irresponsible and unacceptable.
When are you going to grow up Pete?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again. Slipping right back into pretentuous sophmoric analysis. I&#8217;m just tired of your infantile games Pete.</p>
<p>You and your right wing mates use &#8216;anti semitism&#8217; as a battering ram to stifle opposition to your views regarding the Middle East.</p>
<p>It is a strategy which is riddled, just like the patriarchal capitalist system, with contradictions.</p>
<p>You are effectivly accusing arabs (who are semites) of being anti-semitic.</p>
<p>You should be ashamed. You have a lot to learn from the left. We don&#8217;t cry &#8216;RACIST&#8217; at the drop of a hat. It&#8217;s irresponsible and unacceptable.<br />
When are you going to grow up Pete?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Peculiar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/05/11/a-welcome-victory/comment-page-4/#comment-51890</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Peculiar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 15:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - fair enough, but the postal vote is wrong whoever benefits from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; fair enough, but the postal vote is wrong whoever benefits from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OP:
Cheers. Now OP the beer - which is best: large spoon or shovel? Man, that is some heavy ale.

Dan:
Postal votes should be scrapped. Its an embarrassment all round! For example, in Bradford the people under investigation are mainly tories. This is one story that will run and run.

Neil &#039;Voice of Reason&#039; W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OP:<br />
Cheers. Now OP the beer &#8211; which is best: large spoon or shovel? Man, that is some heavy ale.</p>
<p>Dan:<br />
Postal votes should be scrapped. Its an embarrassment all round! For example, in Bradford the people under investigation are mainly tories. This is one story that will run and run.</p>
<p>Neil &#8216;Voice of Reason&#8217; W</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 14:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; (Bethnal Green and Bow is being investigated for postal vote fraud. It could have tipped the balance.) &lt;/i&gt;

Except that the people being accused of fraud are Labour not Respect:  certainly the only name that has come up is Labour Party activist Abdus Salique.

&lt;i&gt;At one address owned by Abdus Salique, a local businessman and Labour supporter who recently hosted a lunch for the party&#039;s candidate, Oona King, and the London mayor, Ken Livingstone, there are 12 names on the roll.

&lt;i&gt;But when the Guardian visited the premises, a businessman who rents an office in the building said that none of those named lived there.

&lt;i&gt;The electors have not been registered for postal votes, but polling cards have been delivered and are now in the possession of Mr Salique. Under electoral law, no proof of identification is required at the polling station&lt;/i&gt;

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election/story/0,15803,1475848,00.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> (Bethnal Green and Bow is being investigated for postal vote fraud. It could have tipped the balance.) </i></p>
<p>Except that the people being accused of fraud are Labour not Respect:  certainly the only name that has come up is Labour Party activist Abdus Salique.</p>
<p><i>At one address owned by Abdus Salique, a local businessman and Labour supporter who recently hosted a lunch for the party&#8217;s candidate, Oona King, and the London mayor, Ken Livingstone, there are 12 names on the roll.</p>
<p></i><i>But when the Guardian visited the premises, a businessman who rents an office in the building said that none of those named lived there.</p>
<p></i><i>The electors have not been registered for postal votes, but polling cards have been delivered and are now in the possession of Mr Salique. Under electoral law, no proof of identification is required at the polling station</i></p>
<p><a href="http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election/story/0,15803,1475848,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election/story/0,15803,1475848,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 14:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is very simple. Sonic, please answer in a straight fashion the following questions, without launching a distracting counter attack, and explaining your reasons:

1.) Even if you believe that Respect&#039;s policies on issues of interest to the &#039;Islamic world&#039; (e.g. Palestine, Israel, Iraq War) is based on principled leftism and just happens to coincide with the agendas and worldviews of Islamists, do you accept that Galloway chose Bethnal Green to fight because of its high Bangladeshi population?

2.) Do you accept that Respect&#039;s policies appealed to that particular electorate because of a communalist, Muslim worldview, rather than a socialist worldview?

3.) In other words, do you accept that Respect deliberately targeted Bethnal Green because it was likely to benefit there from a communalist vote based on its stance on the Iraq War etc.

4.) Do you then accept that this is opportunist communal politics, of the type exploited by &#039;ethnic entrepreneurs&#039; across the globe?

5.) Do you accept that this is not a GOOD THING?

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is very simple. Sonic, please answer in a straight fashion the following questions, without launching a distracting counter attack, and explaining your reasons:</p>
<p>1.) Even if you believe that Respect&#8217;s policies on issues of interest to the &#8216;Islamic world&#8217; (e.g. Palestine, Israel, Iraq War) is based on principled leftism and just happens to coincide with the agendas and worldviews of Islamists, do you accept that Galloway chose Bethnal Green to fight because of its high Bangladeshi population?</p>
<p>2.) Do you accept that Respect&#8217;s policies appealed to that particular electorate because of a communalist, Muslim worldview, rather than a socialist worldview?</p>
<p>3.) In other words, do you accept that Respect deliberately targeted Bethnal Green because it was likely to benefit there from a communalist vote based on its stance on the Iraq War etc.</p>
<p>4.) Do you then accept that this is opportunist communal politics, of the type exploited by &#8216;ethnic entrepreneurs&#8217; across the globe?</p>
<p>5.) Do you accept that this is not a GOOD THING?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Old Peculiar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/05/11/a-welcome-victory/comment-page-4/#comment-51886</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Peculiar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 14:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil W:

&#039;Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?&#039;

It isn&#039;t. Even if you disagree with Harry it should be obvious what he means. It&#039;s obvious to me and I&#039;m a right winger!

(Bethnal Green and Bow is being investigated for postal vote fraud. It could have tipped the balance.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil W:</p>
<p>&#8216;Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?&#8217;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t. Even if you disagree with Harry it should be obvious what he means. It&#8217;s obvious to me and I&#8217;m a right winger!</p>
<p>(Bethnal Green and Bow is being investigated for postal vote fraud. It could have tipped the balance.)</p>
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		<title>By: DavidBruno</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/05/11/a-welcome-victory/comment-page-4/#comment-51885</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidBruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 14:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hyopthetical example of whether providing a link means that you support the moral values of the &#039;linkee&#039; might be as follows:

I&#039;m looking forward to linking to a future &#039;Gorgeous George&#039; publication such as a self-help guide for voters such as:

&quot;How to become rich, influential and constantly tanned like me!&quot; OR

&quot;The A-Z of health, wealth, mutliple property-ownership and interesting international project management and retaining one&#039;s socialist cred!&quot;...

Or even:

&quot;How to make friends with Tyrants and influence them!&quot;

Now, would that mean I would approve of the author or his works?

PS1 - that&#039;s a rhetotical question so I don&#039;t need an answer

PS2 - Gorgeous George is a purely fictional person and bear no resemblance to any living person and these titles are a pure figment of my imagination</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hyopthetical example of whether providing a link means that you support the moral values of the &#8216;linkee&#8217; might be as follows:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to linking to a future &#8216;Gorgeous George&#8217; publication such as a self-help guide for voters such as:</p>
<p>&#8220;How to become rich, influential and constantly tanned like me!&#8221; OR</p>
<p>&#8220;The A-Z of health, wealth, mutliple property-ownership and interesting international project management and retaining one&#8217;s socialist cred!&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Or even:</p>
<p>&#8220;How to make friends with Tyrants and influence them!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, would that mean I would approve of the author or his works?</p>
<p>PS1 &#8211; that&#8217;s a rhetotical question so I don&#8217;t need an answer</p>
<p>PS2 &#8211; Gorgeous George is a purely fictional person and bear no resemblance to any living person and these titles are a pure figment of my imagination</p>
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		<title>By: Neil W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 13:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave
I can&#039;t actually see why this is a problem - meaning my often agreement with Harry. In this particular case I am also in agreement with him, again.

If I agree with someone, I agree with them, I don&#039;t apply an ideological filter and then decide.

I base my opinion on an asessment of the facts, not faith, or ideology but knowlege. And guess what, when I learn something new I even change my mind on something. Gosh, shock, horror.

Now about you lot missing the point of Harrys post - don&#039;t you think there is a great deal of difference between:
**between linking to a site on your website - a permanent link which could be construed as tacit agreement and support for the linked sites content, and then on your blog quoting the BNP (not linking) and saying &#039; this is what these wankers are saying, its worrying and linking it with communal politics&#039; And that this is bad thing**

And I would add its bad news when ANYONE practises this kind of divsive shite is bad news - whether its Respect, the BNP, Labour etc.

Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave<br />
I can&#8217;t actually see why this is a problem &#8211; meaning my often agreement with Harry. In this particular case I am also in agreement with him, again.</p>
<p>If I agree with someone, I agree with them, I don&#8217;t apply an ideological filter and then decide.</p>
<p>I base my opinion on an asessment of the facts, not faith, or ideology but knowlege. And guess what, when I learn something new I even change my mind on something. Gosh, shock, horror.</p>
<p>Now about you lot missing the point of Harrys post &#8211; don&#8217;t you think there is a great deal of difference between:<br />
**between linking to a site on your website &#8211; a permanent link which could be construed as tacit agreement and support for the linked sites content, and then on your blog quoting the BNP (not linking) and saying &#8216; this is what these wankers are saying, its worrying and linking it with communal politics&#8217; And that this is bad thing**</p>
<p>And I would add its bad news when ANYONE practises this kind of divsive shite is bad news &#8211; whether its Respect, the BNP, Labour etc.</p>
<p>Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?</p>
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