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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43698</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Zin and Mr. Boyd, I think the term &quot;Paki&quot; is offensive and I oppose the use of violence against Chavez.

I linked to Vcrisis not because I agree with everything it says but because it provided an account of the MIT gathering. (If anyone knows that account to be incorrect, and has more accurate information, please contact me.) If you want to believe that means Mr. Boyd is my &quot;bedfellow,&quot; I can&#039;t do much about that.

And I&#039;m going to close down the comments here before they get any further out of hand. Please feel free to continue the dialogue among yourselves via email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Zin and Mr. Boyd, I think the term &#8220;Paki&#8221; is offensive and I oppose the use of violence against Chavez.</p>
<p>I linked to Vcrisis not because I agree with everything it says but because it provided an account of the MIT gathering. (If anyone knows that account to be incorrect, and has more accurate information, please contact me.) If you want to believe that means Mr. Boyd is my &#8220;bedfellow,&#8221; I can&#8217;t do much about that.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m going to close down the comments here before they get any further out of hand. Please feel free to continue the dialogue among yourselves via email.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksander Boyd</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43697</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleksander Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, on this side of the divide elements like Ken of Tucker are defined by the acronym PSF, which in the formal version tranlates into Pajuo&#039;s Sin Fronteras; whereas in the slang version means Pendejos Sin Fronteras. A search for the term &quot;pendejo&quot; in the Real Academia de la Lengua Española [http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?LEMA=pendejo] gives a pretty accurate picute of the meaning, although it needs to be stressed that coloquially in Venezuela &quot;pendejos&quot; refer to the bodily hair that grows near the anus. I think readers can guess in whose anus do these &quot;pendejos&quot; flourish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, on this side of the divide elements like Ken of Tucker are defined by the acronym PSF, which in the formal version tranlates into Pajuo&#8217;s Sin Fronteras; whereas in the slang version means Pendejos Sin Fronteras. A search for the term &#8220;pendejo&#8221; in the Real Academia de la Lengua Española [http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?LEMA=pendejo] gives a pretty accurate picute of the meaning, although it needs to be stressed that coloquially in Venezuela &#8220;pendejos&#8221; refer to the bodily hair that grows near the anus. I think readers can guess in whose anus do these &#8220;pendejos&#8221; flourish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksander Boyd</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43693</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleksander Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I see that my fans have moved over to Harry&#039;s Place, ah the bliss... Calvin Tucker now calls himself ZIN and trumpets the race card yet again to deviate from more pressing issues such as the illegal land grabs &#039;a la Mugabe&#039;, the demise of the Rule of Law, the rampant corruption, the ever growing list of political prisoners, the extra judicial death squads, the vote rigging, the invasion of Cuba&#039;s G2, the granting of Venezuelan citizenships to FARC narcoterrorists, etc, etc, all of the aforementioned very democratic political maneuvers that his revered idol [aka Fidel&#039;s toyboy] is practising/implementing in Venezuela. In Mexico I may be called Gusano, in Venezuela however I&#039;m called fascist, olygarch, coupster and other niceties by groups that lend support to the failed coupster, neofascist and sybarite president of my country and in Britain a racist by communists like Tucker.

Re advocating for violence yes I have mentioned in many occasions that in my view that is the only solution left for dealing with Chavez (who under no circumstance can be defined as a democrat), pretty much like he did in 1992 and for the same reasons I must add. Oh nearly forgot that only leftists have the right to rebel, stupid me...

Keep trying with the Home Office Tucker, you may get lucky one of these days!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I see that my fans have moved over to Harry&#8217;s Place, ah the bliss&#8230; Calvin Tucker now calls himself ZIN and trumpets the race card yet again to deviate from more pressing issues such as the illegal land grabs &#8216;a la Mugabe&#8217;, the demise of the Rule of Law, the rampant corruption, the ever growing list of political prisoners, the extra judicial death squads, the vote rigging, the invasion of Cuba&#8217;s G2, the granting of Venezuelan citizenships to FARC narcoterrorists, etc, etc, all of the aforementioned very democratic political maneuvers that his revered idol [aka Fidel's toyboy] is practising/implementing in Venezuela. In Mexico I may be called Gusano, in Venezuela however I&#8217;m called fascist, olygarch, coupster and other niceties by groups that lend support to the failed coupster, neofascist and sybarite president of my country and in Britain a racist by communists like Tucker.</p>
<p>Re advocating for violence yes I have mentioned in many occasions that in my view that is the only solution left for dealing with Chavez (who under no circumstance can be defined as a democrat), pretty much like he did in 1992 and for the same reasons I must add. Oh nearly forgot that only leftists have the right to rebel, stupid me&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep trying with the Home Office Tucker, you may get lucky one of these days!!</p>
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		<title>By: Canuck Defeatist</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43696</link>
		<dc:creator>Canuck Defeatist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the USA was farting around in the Middle East, its own backyard in Latin America was quietly swinging back to the Left, fuelled by resentment of economic policies imposed at the USA&#039;s urging.

Brazil&#039;s Lula da Silva pointed the way. Neither he nor Chavez will do enough to provoke an invasion or blatantly American-backed putsch, which Condi could hardly get away with anyhow after the bad karma accumulated in Iraq. In Mexico, whose illegal immigrants are quietly flooding SW America, the neoliberal reforms of Bush&#039;s lame-duck buddy Pres. Fox have failed. Polls show that the more anti-American PRI enjoys over twice the support of Fox&#039;s PAN party, with a presidential election in July &#039;06.

Latin America is another reason, besides the looming standoff with China, why US forces should scram pronto from the desert quagmire and redeploy where they&#039;re truly needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the USA was farting around in the Middle East, its own backyard in Latin America was quietly swinging back to the Left, fuelled by resentment of economic policies imposed at the USA&#8217;s urging.</p>
<p>Brazil&#8217;s Lula da Silva pointed the way. Neither he nor Chavez will do enough to provoke an invasion or blatantly American-backed putsch, which Condi could hardly get away with anyhow after the bad karma accumulated in Iraq. In Mexico, whose illegal immigrants are quietly flooding SW America, the neoliberal reforms of Bush&#8217;s lame-duck buddy Pres. Fox have failed. Polls show that the more anti-American PRI enjoys over twice the support of Fox&#8217;s PAN party, with a presidential election in July &#8216;06.</p>
<p>Latin America is another reason, besides the looming standoff with China, why US forces should scram pronto from the desert quagmire and redeploy where they&#8217;re truly needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43695</link>
		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander Boyd (who describes himself as an unemployed former hotel bellboy), and who runs the hate website, vcrisis.com, is an unrepentant advocate of using terrorism against Venezuelan democracy.

On 7th December 04, Boyd wrote on his website: &quot;My ‘terrorist’ status derives from opinions of mine posted in this site with respect to what I consider to be the solution to deal with criminals such as Hugo Chavez, i.e. violence.&quot;

Boyd is also an avowed racist. Last year, on the opposition website, Caracas Cronicles, he refered to Tariq Ali as &quot;that Paki journalist&quot;. When asked to withdraw this remark, Boyd refused, saying that it was perfectly acceptable to refer to &quot;Pakis&quot; in this way.

At least one formal complaint has been made to the Home Office requesting the deportation of Boyd from Britain, on the grounds of his support for terrorism and for breaking the terms of the Race Relatations Act which specifically outlaws &quot;incitement to racial hatred&quot;.

Gene certainly has some strange bedfellows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander Boyd (who describes himself as an unemployed former hotel bellboy), and who runs the hate website, vcrisis.com, is an unrepentant advocate of using terrorism against Venezuelan democracy.</p>
<p>On 7th December 04, Boyd wrote on his website: &#8220;My ‘terrorist’ status derives from opinions of mine posted in this site with respect to what I consider to be the solution to deal with criminals such as Hugo Chavez, i.e. violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Boyd is also an avowed racist. Last year, on the opposition website, Caracas Cronicles, he refered to Tariq Ali as &#8220;that Paki journalist&#8221;. When asked to withdraw this remark, Boyd refused, saying that it was perfectly acceptable to refer to &#8220;Pakis&#8221; in this way.</p>
<p>At least one formal complaint has been made to the Home Office requesting the deportation of Boyd from Britain, on the grounds of his support for terrorism and for breaking the terms of the Race Relatations Act which specifically outlaws &#8220;incitement to racial hatred&#8221;.</p>
<p>Gene certainly has some strange bedfellows.</p>
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		<title>By: geriatriclabour</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43694</link>
		<dc:creator>geriatriclabour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is when i read articles like this tht i think the Harry&#039;s Place editorial team have gone too far in seeing positive aspects of US foreign policy where they aren&#039;t any. It is sensible, as you guys did, to support the Iraqi elections and point out that those violently opposed to it came from the privileged Sunni minority and were often ex-Ba&#039;athists who had committed human rights atrocities in Saddam&#039;s time and/or were extremist Islamists. But to back the US&#039; opposition to Chavez seems foolish.

Chavez has been elected (and won a recall) and his allies have got a majority in Parliament. If you sing the praises of elections in Iraq [as in the purple finger posts] then why not in Venezuala? Is it because you only support elections when they elect pro-American govts? There has been (in 2002) a coup against Chavez in which the US as well as the domestic elite tried to get rid of him. The US looks like taking the same approach to Venezuala that it took to Arbenez in Guatamala and Allende in Chile [i.e. allying with elements of the local elite to get rid of elected leaders].

Those who say they are on the left should be supporting efforts to tackle inequality, illiteracy and poor health among the venezualan poor; as the Chavez govt is doing even as they criticise the tendency to caudillismo in his leadership. To criticise the latter but not praise the former suggests you have no interest in the quality of life of the Venezualan poor and are buying into the US attempts and the attempts of the local right to undermine his regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is when i read articles like this tht i think the Harry&#8217;s Place editorial team have gone too far in seeing positive aspects of US foreign policy where they aren&#8217;t any. It is sensible, as you guys did, to support the Iraqi elections and point out that those violently opposed to it came from the privileged Sunni minority and were often ex-Ba&#8217;athists who had committed human rights atrocities in Saddam&#8217;s time and/or were extremist Islamists. But to back the US&#8217; opposition to Chavez seems foolish.</p>
<p>Chavez has been elected (and won a recall) and his allies have got a majority in Parliament. If you sing the praises of elections in Iraq [as in the purple finger posts] then why not in Venezuala? Is it because you only support elections when they elect pro-American govts? There has been (in 2002) a coup against Chavez in which the US as well as the domestic elite tried to get rid of him. The US looks like taking the same approach to Venezuala that it took to Arbenez in Guatamala and Allende in Chile [i.e. allying with elements of the local elite to get rid of elected leaders].</p>
<p>Those who say they are on the left should be supporting efforts to tackle inequality, illiteracy and poor health among the venezualan poor; as the Chavez govt is doing even as they criticise the tendency to caudillismo in his leadership. To criticise the latter but not praise the former suggests you have no interest in the quality of life of the Venezualan poor and are buying into the US attempts and the attempts of the local right to undermine his regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43692</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene,

What, pray, is wrong with going on the knock? Let&#039;s start from first principles: a job is a job and the key to all jobs is to get as much brass out of them for as little effort as possible. Now, if a Cuban girl wants to earn a bob or two on her back, who am I to argue that she is daft?

It wasn&#039;t that way in Cuba until the end of Comecon. Under that system folk did their hours as a kind of social duty - did their hours and got cheap housing, subsidised food and lots of holidays. (To me this is what socialism is mainly about.)

Now, thanks to to Russian stupidity, the country is on its own and has had to allow some capitalism in again. This being the case the basic rule of work as outlined in my first paragraph applies.

Harry, guess what? That&#039;s not a Spanish word and so your point is lost - this isn&#039;t the first time that your little sallies have missed, either. Try harder, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>What, pray, is wrong with going on the knock? Let&#8217;s start from first principles: a job is a job and the key to all jobs is to get as much brass out of them for as little effort as possible. Now, if a Cuban girl wants to earn a bob or two on her back, who am I to argue that she is daft?</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t that way in Cuba until the end of Comecon. Under that system folk did their hours as a kind of social duty &#8211; did their hours and got cheap housing, subsidised food and lots of holidays. (To me this is what socialism is mainly about.)</p>
<p>Now, thanks to to Russian stupidity, the country is on its own and has had to allow some capitalism in again. This being the case the basic rule of work as outlined in my first paragraph applies.</p>
<p>Harry, guess what? That&#8217;s not a Spanish word and so your point is lost &#8211; this isn&#8217;t the first time that your little sallies have missed, either. Try harder, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43691</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Liked the logo? The t-shirts are selling like hot cakes!!&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t happen to have one with Jose Mourinho on too by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Liked the logo? The t-shirts are selling like hot cakes!!</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t happen to have one with Jose Mourinho on too by any chance?</p>
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		<title>By: A.M. Mora y Leon</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43690</link>
		<dc:creator>A.M. Mora y Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will agree with some of you that &#039;fascist&#039; is not the right word for Chavez. &#039;Fascist&#039; is a good word for jackasses like Stroessner and Peron. For Chavez, the only term I will accept is &#039;communist.&#039; How else do you describe a man who would turn control of his secret police over to the hemisphere&#039;s most dreaded police state and allow his agents to roam freely through the country at will, free to snatch Venezuelans off the streets and haul them back to Havana to face Castro&#039;s &#039;justice.&#039; That&#039;s the new reality in Venezuela. Venezuela is about to become Cuba&#039;s colony and already its economy - poverty, long lines, state control - is beginning to show a family resemblance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will agree with some of you that &#8216;fascist&#8217; is not the right word for Chavez. &#8216;Fascist&#8217; is a good word for jackasses like Stroessner and Peron. For Chavez, the only term I will accept is &#8216;communist.&#8217; How else do you describe a man who would turn control of his secret police over to the hemisphere&#8217;s most dreaded police state and allow his agents to roam freely through the country at will, free to snatch Venezuelans off the streets and haul them back to Havana to face Castro&#8217;s &#8216;justice.&#8217; That&#8217;s the new reality in Venezuela. Venezuela is about to become Cuba&#8217;s colony and already its economy &#8211; poverty, long lines, state control &#8211; is beginning to show a family resemblance.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2005/03/21/two-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-43689</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whereas people like Ken are known as &lt;i&gt;rule&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereas people like Ken are known as <i>rule</i></p>
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